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Apr-10-22
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Bird vs Falkbeer, 1857 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1857 <Games from the first match:
102 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1856
103 Bird-Falkbeer (Bell's Life in London, 1857.01.18) > What source(s) specified these as being played in the first match? |
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Apr-10-22
 | | jnpope: <What source(s) specified these as being played in the first match?> I think Renette was doing a bit of deduction.
His game 102 was published in the <Illustrated London News>, 1857.01.10, p19, and I was going to suggest that he was wrong based on the <ILN> intro "Well-contested game in a match now pending between Mr. Bird, an English amateur favourably known for the originality and vigour of his style, and the Austrian player Falkbeer." (based on pending vs concluded).
However, <Bell's Life in London>, 1857.01.18, p5, states that "...the score up to January 10th stood, F. 2, B. 0, drawn 1." Given game 14 as the final game, Bird-Falkbeer, then Falkbeer had White in the odd-numbered games. Given the draw and two Falkbeer wins for the first three games, it would appear that Bird's first opportunity for a win with Black would be game five which was played after 10 January 1857 making it highly probable that this game was from the first match, so Renette may be correct in assigning this Bird win to the first match (at least until proven otherwise). |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: Are all Renette's sources for these matches from the Era, ILN and BL? Did the Field or Sunday Times have anything? As you're no doubt aware, there was no English chess magazine at the time. |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: As for his game 103, I'm not sure why other than <Bell's Life in London>, 1857.01.18, p5, not being sure either "A game from one of the matches between Mr Bird and Herr Falkbeer. (Perhaps the finest game hitherto played between these chess athletæ.)" In my current reconstruction of this match this could very well be game 2 of match 2. |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: I'll post Renette's sequence with sources; I'll need a few minutes... |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: Here is Renette's sequence along with sources:
102 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1856
<Illustrated London News>, 1857.01.10, p19
103 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1857
<Bell's Life in London>, 1857.01.18, p5
104 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1856
<Era>, 1857.03.08, p14
105 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1856
<Era>, 1857.02.08, p15
106 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1856
<The Sunday Times>, 7 June 1857
<Modern Chess>, Bird, p82
<Chess Monthly>, September 1894, p12
107 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1856
<Illustrated London News>, 1857.05.09, p441
108 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1857
<Era>, 1857.03.08, p14
109 Falkbeer vs Bird, 1856
<The Sunday Times>, 17 May 1857
110 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1856
<Deutsches Schachzeitung>, March 1857, pp100-102
111 Bird vs Falkbeer, 1856
<Illustrated London News>, 1857.04.18, p372
<Era>, 1857.04.19, p14
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Apr-10-22
 | | harrylime: This is the In Telly ( My Mam hadda Telly bak in the day loike ) Gents Cafe on this Wee soite loike I'm impressed with the Chess knowledge espoused in here so I am So I am Loike . Can anybody tell me what happened to Carl Schlechter and where and how he died loike ?? To be sure to be sure... and where he is buried ?? |
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Apr-10-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza>
This brief passage about the sad death of Carl Schlechter is taken from the player page biography that <Karpova> wrote- Carl Schlechter : <In 1918, Schlechter competed again internationally with a second-place finish at Berlin Four Masters (1918) and a 3rd place at Berlin Grandmasters (1918). He played one further tournament in Budapest. The Budapest Chess Club arranged a Simul for him, but a few days after it, he had to be admitted to the local Rochus hospital.(36) There he died on December 27, 1918.(36) Possible causes of his death are a lung disease aggravated by lack of proper nutrition, tuberculosis, pneumonia and the Spanish flu epidemic.(37)> ================== |
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Apr-10-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza> Here is another account of Schlechter's death that <zanzibar> translated for us from a primary source- Carl Schlechter (kibitz #423) : <In the first issue of the Journal of Czech Chess, January 1919, Schlechter's Obituary was published, beginning with the following lines: "At the end of December, the daily papers gave a laconic message that Viennese chess master Karel Schlechter died on 28 December 1918 at St. Petersburg Hospital. Rocha. We now learn from dr. Adolf Duška, who was assigned to the Pesta Military Commission by our government, Schlechter arrived there in December, was invited by his club to perform simultaneously and to participate in a small tournament in which Balla, Btreyer, Havas and Réti played in addition. The result of the simultaneity was very weak and in the Schlechter tournament, in addition to 2-3 remis, all lost. It was obvious that it was very ill, the affliction of the pneumonia was then subdued by the suddenly weakened organism. 31. pros. Accompanied by Czech chess players on the last trip, the Czech chess player was present dr. Adolf Dušek. "
Several details of the tournament were published by the Czech Chess Magazine 1919 in its April issue (page 62): > |
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Apr-10-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza> here some information about where Schlecter was buried from a Washington Post 1919 obituary, cited by Bill Wall's article- https://billwallchess.blogspot.com/... : <Schlechter died at a hospital in Budapest of pneumonia and starvation on December 27, 1918 at the age of 44. He was buried at the Rakoskeressturer Cemetery in Budapest on December 31, 1918. [source: “Carl Schlechter Dead,” Washington Post, Feb 9, 1919, p. 6] He may have also been the victim of the Spanish flu pandemic. |
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Apr-10-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza> Schlechter died in Budapest, and he was also interred in Budapest. In his Schlechter biography, Warren Goldman cites an account from "Magyar Sakkvilag (1919)" which says: <The Magistrate of the City of Budapest, in taking an unprecedented vote to award the deceased [Carl Schlechter] an honorary grave, has brilliantly affirmed its appreciation of international chess life as well as its own awareness of culture.> -Warren Goldman, "Carl Schlechter" (Caissa Editions 1994), p.46 |
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Apr-10-22
| | harrylime: <<jessicafischerqueen:
Is there a "St. Petersburg Hospital" in Budapest? If not, there seems to be a discrepancy between the two accounts of where Schlechter died eh...>> Pneumonia ... which I already knew ...
I'd also already seen the "Starvation" stuff ... Thanks for getting back <<Jezza >> .. Seems he was still playing and competing in 1918... Is Rocha, Rochau in Germany ?? |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: Must say I'm impressed with Falkbeer's play in this match from the games I've gone through. Harding says that he started his <Sunday Times> column on April 26th 1857, just the day after Staunton idly speculated on another match. Apparently, Falkbeer modestly gave only a couple of games from the match, a draw and a Bird win. |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: <JFQ>,
https://www.urbandictionary.com/def... "Hozza: a sexy beast who's only turned on by men over the age of 40." I don't have any user named "Hozza" on my ignore-list so I can only presume that you are fishing for something by leading off every post with that term... not judging. Whatever gets you through this life. ;-) |
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Apr-10-22
| | harrylime: <<jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza> Here is another account of Schlechter's death that <zanzibar> translated for us from a primary source- Carl Schlechter (kibitz #423) : <In the first issue of the Journal of Czech Chess, January 1919, Schlechter's Obituary was published, beginning with the following lines: "At the end of December, the daily papers gave a laconic message that Viennese chess master Karel Schlechter died on 28 December 1918 at St. Petersburg Hospital. Rocha. We now learn from dr. Adolf Duška, who was assigned to the Pesta Military Commission by our government, Schlechter arrived there in December, was invited by his club to perform simultaneously and to participate in a small tournament in which Balla, Btreyer, Havas and Réti played in addition. The result of the simultaneity was very weak and in the Schlechter tournament, in addition to 2-3 remis, all lost. It was obvious that it was very ill, the affliction of the pneumonia was then subdued by the suddenly weakened organism. 31. pros. Accompanied by Czech chess players on the last trip, the Czech chess player was present dr. Adolf Dušek. " Several details of the tournament were published by the Czech Chess Magazine 1919 in its April issue (page 62): >> >This is great . Thank you for posting this...
Rocha could be Rochau in Germany ...
Itz gotta be there for a reason ...
Thank you xx |
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Apr-10-22
| | harrylime: << jnpope: <JFQ>,
https://www.urbandictionary.com/def...
"Hozza: a sexy beast who's only turned on by men over the age of 40." I don't have any user named "Hozza" on my ignore-list so I can only presume that you are fishing for something by leading off every post with that term... not judging. Whatever gets you through this life. ;-)> > lol lol
I'm Blushin lol xxx |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: Zukertort's "A Chess Dream" problem found!
Biographer Bistro (kibitz #24377)Source: <Hazeltine Scrapbook, Glasgow Weekly Herald>, v91, pdf p12 (column dated 1873.02.15) |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: Five more Zukertort games from his 25 January 1873 performance uploaded.
I was also able to confirm that Zukertort's opponent in Zukertort vs NN, 1873 was John Jenkins. |
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Apr-10-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Hozza>
You didn't even know you had an awesome official nickname! Who knew? |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: <JFQ>, I just presumed you were shouting "Hozza" these days when you posted something. :-P |
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Apr-10-22
| | MissScarlett: <Pope>, when I previously asked about your access to Falkbeer's column in <Sunday Times> this is what I was leading up to (before I got distracted): Joseph Campbell (kibitz #21) Are you in a suitable institution? |
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Apr-10-22
| | jnpope: I no longer have a faculty ID from U of M, but I know people who do, so I'll ask around to see if anyone is willing to check for accessibility through their University account. |
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Apr-11-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<jnpope> heh... yes your supposition was logical, given the consonance with <Huzzah!> Interestingly, I also no longer <have my faculties> or I would be able to help out more on that particular puzzle. I was able however to publish your latest triumph here: Zukertort vs John Jenkins, 1873 |
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Apr-11-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<jnpope> In Winter's "Chess Explorations" pp.46-47 he gives a <Pillsbury vs von Zehn> score that was played in St. Petersburg, but he cannot provide the date. Winter got the score from "Shipley's notebook"- Volume A, p.133. Apparently Shipley did not supply the dates played in the many games he put in this notebook. Have you heard of this game?
Further information is given from Shipley's Notebook: "Pillsbury writes to a friend in this city that he had played two interesting games with Count von Zehn, one of the strongest amateurs of the St. Petersburg Chess Club." More details from Shipley's game score- ( Pillsbury vs von Zehn, Ponziani opening, 24 moves 1-0)- but as mentioned no date. If you don't already have this game score perhaps the date, or approximate date, could be divined from the site location of St. Petersburg? If you don't already have it, I can transcribe the score and create a pgn to show you. |
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Apr-11-22
| | jnpope: I'm fairly certain both can be found my prior Pillsbury work and were published in the NY Sun and NY Tribune (I'm on my phone and I'm too lazy to physically check at the moment). |
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