Brilliant, a true labour of love and I bet who job it is to update these Bio's is really pleased.

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<A recent competition in Berlin between Caro and Miese was canceled after the former 3, the latter 4 and 3 remained a draw.>

Ein kürzlich in Berlin stattgefundener Wettbewerb zwischen Caro und Miese wurde abgesagt, nachdem Ersterer 3, lezterer 4 und 3 blieben unentschieden.

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<Münchner neueste Nachrichten 1897-05-07 p10c2>

https://digipress.digitale-sammlung...

I'm disinclined to "officially" include the extended games in the "unofficial" match, since the results were uniformly reported as was the 10-game standing. (These first 10 games were concentrated in time as well, so that none were "stragglers").

But that's just me and my conservative nature (and the fact I'm also very biased towards sources I have in hand).

Under the principle of "he who bakes", I'll defer to <jn>'s judgement.

In the golden semi-old days, I'd propose a Bistro vote on the matter.

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<6610. Hirsch Hermann Silberschmidt (1801-1866)>

<Illustrirte Zeitung> v109, 1 July 1897, p25:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt...

<Tijdschrift van den Nederlandschen Schaakbond>, v5 n6, June 1897, p125:
https://www.delpher.nl/nl/tijdschri...

<Which game was played in May? The three games currently on <CG> all come from March, right?>

No, the following game was played "19 en 21 Mei 1897":
J Mieses vs H Caro, 1897
https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=...

<Under the principle of "he who bakes", I'll defer to <jn>'s judgement.>

Facts first, presumptions second, assumptions third, and guesses fourth. The facts are as <Tabanus> has summarized. My presumption based upon those facts are as I stated:

<It appears Mieses and Caro played eight games starting in March, then two games in early-April, before halting the "series"; resuming no later than May 19th (based upon a game played on that date) and finishing things up no later than late-May/early-June, with a final score for Mieses: +5 -4 =5.>

Again, per the Mieses letter snippet posted by <Chessist> from <Deutsches Wochenschach>:

"The fact is, however, that over the last few months I have played a number of more serious games with Mr. Caro, each at a small stake, while remaining in the advantage with a smaller majority. ... The result so far is incidentally noted I won five games and lost four, while some were drawn."

Mieses seems to indicate all the games are from the same series played "each at a small stake". So with one of the participants saying they were all from the same "event" I will not dispute that claim and my judgment is currently "Mieses: +5 -4 =5" (subject to modication as new facts come to light).

<We really need the digital scans from the <Deutsches Wochenschach>.>

I even provided some of the data, ha. But I'll try to maintain the opposite position for a bit longer, at least as long as we don't have the D Wochenschach online!

Please, let's note that the <TvdSN> cites <DW> as its source. So it's not really an independent source.

As far as the games given in TvdSN - I agree that's strong support for the match being resumed. (More on that later)

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I do wish, however, that we in the Bistro would go back to using collections and then promoting the collection to a tournament.

For one thing, that would remove the "special" status of certain editors over others. I won't name names, but <classical> merits a mention(*). For another, I believe in the review process so much so that I'm recommending resurrecting it.

((*) OK, I lied)

Also, I used this pseudo-match to draw my conclusions about the games:

Mieses - Caro Casual Series (1897)

And indeed, it agrees with my previous post - no match games other than March.

I still think it's the only way a non-editor can submit an event but as far as I know, no new events have been submitted since around the time JFQ left the site. And, once again, I'll point out we haven't had a consistent voting quorum for roughly the same amount of time.

<For another, I believe in the review process so much so that I'm recommending resurrecting it.>

I'm all for reviews, which is why I announce most of the additions I've been making here in the bistro. I say "most" because I just did a blitz today to clean-up Game Collection: Not ready for the Tournament Index and I didn't announce all the events I added to the Tournament Index (these were mostly events missing games to make them "complete" and I saw no reason for them not to be in the TI since I had crosstables and/or write-ups for most of them already). My "standard" for 2024 is if I can create a complete xtab and do a write-up for a match, or tournament, I will add it to the TI even if it is missing games (people will only look for things if they know they are missing!).

Yes, I didn't realize how good the "second" Golden Age of <CG> was when I first showed up on the <Bistro>.

<Phony>, <Tabanus>, <crawfb5>, <PaintMyDragon>, <Pawn and Two>, <chessical>, <JFQ>, <OCF>, <gauer>, and...

(I'm sorry if I didn't mention you, omissions purely my bad memory.)

And indeed, it agrees with my previous post - no match games other than March.>