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Jan-10-24
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https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... = Leipziger Tageblatt (Abendausgabe) 4 Nov. 1891 p. 3 has the 3rd undated game, a French in 22 moves. |
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Jan-10-24
| | Tabanus: Same newspaper 3 Jan 1892 has another game played in "November": https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... |
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| Jan-10-24 | | Chessist: Walbrodt-von Scheve:
von Scheve didn't show up for the second resumption of game 7. That's why he called the arbitration court, compare DWS 1891, pp 391 and 406. |
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| Jan-10-24 | | Chessist: The arbitration court in Berlin could not agree on a decision, so the Secretary General of the German Chess Federation, Hermann Zwanzig, had to make a decision. https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... |
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| Jan-10-24 | | chesshistoryinterest: <jnpope>
Re your post on 6 January 2024 Biographer Bistro (kibitz #27580)
Re Game collection: Missing Chess Magazines Game Collection: Missing Chess Magazines
I'm no expert here, so apologies if I've got something wrong, but isn't 'Weiner Schachzeitung' 1928-1933 (plus 1934-1938, 1948-1949) here?: https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/... (this is from the links on Tabanus' home page).
At any rate, I was able to access the 1933 issues which were helpful for obtaining some material I wanted on the 1933 Olympiad.Re discussion on Cleveland Public Library: I checked their catalogue for Deutsche Schachzeitung and my interpretation of the results is that they have the magazine every year from 1872 to 1988 except for 1942. So that would include 1911 and 1925. On the other hand, I can't see on their website how you access the material they've already scanned. Help. It could take a lot of waiting to see the chess material that we want scanned. I'm sure they would consider they have more important priorities than chess. Therefore, I'm wondering if it would be worth paying someone local to go in and scan it. It wouldn't have to be the highest quality - we just want the info. Maybe a fund could be set up on Chessgames.com for this purpose - I'd be happy to contribute to such a fund.
Or maybe something similar could be set up re 'Koninklijke Bibliotheken' in The Hague. |
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Jan-10-24
| | Tabanus: Walbrodt - Scheve 1891, <Leipziger Tageblatt (Abendausgabe) 4 Nov. 1891 p. 3 has the 3rd undated game, a French in 22 moves.> 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. exd5 exd5 6. Bd3 Be6 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. O-O h6 9. Bf4 c6 10. Re1 g5 11. Bg3 Nh5 12. Rxe6 fxe6 13. Bg6+ Kf8 14. Bxh5 Rg8 15. Ne5 Nxe5 16. Bxe5 Bf6 17. Qe2 Kg7 18. Re1 Rf8 19. Qd3 Bxe5 20. Qg6+ Kh8 21. Qxh6+ Kg8 22. Qxe6+ 1-0 11...Nh5 was indeed a blunder.
pgn made using https://lichess.org/analysis, for lack of other means. |
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| Jan-10-24 | | stone free or die: More new entries for <Chess Archeology>'s <Library>: <Magyar sakkvilág (1911-1950)> v3 (1913-14) https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Reco...
Wish we had more entries - but a thousand game journey begins with a single volume. https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magya... (hu) |
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| Jan-10-24 | | stone free or die: Aside - <tab>, there's always the free open-source <SCID> for consideration. https://scid.sourceforge.net/
Though <lichess> is fine too. |
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| Jan-10-24 | | stone free or die: Also, <jn>, a suggestion - you might add a note somewhere on the page informing users outside the US that their country's copyright laws might restrict the accessibility of some of the volumes. (That might be better phrased, but I think you get the idea - as a service to your readers) |
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| Jan-10-24 | | stone free or die: Update - maybe this google books version bypasses Hathitrust? https://books.google.com/books?id=m... |
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| Jan-10-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Magyar sakkvilág> Update - maybe this google books version bypasses Hathitrust? https://books.google.com/books?id=m... |
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Jan-10-24
 | | jnpope: <Tabanus>, Re: Walbrodt - Scheve 1891
Thanks! Those look to be games 3 and 6 scheduled to be played on October 21 and October 31. I know the newspaper says "November" for the second game you found, but up to this point the games were being played on Wednesdays and Saturdays, and as game seven was played on Wednesday November 4, it seems more likely that game six was played on October 31 and not on one of the three days prior to November 4. |
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Jan-10-24
| | jnpope: <Chessist> Re: Walbrodt-von Scheve
Thanks for finding those reports.
So there was a dispute of some sort related to game seven, but I still don't see any text explicitly stating what the dispute was about, or did I miss something? My German language skills are poor and I may have missed something in the translation.
I can only guess that von Scheve misunderstood when to appear and on failing to appear the game was scored against him and he protested, but I'd like something more substantial than my own guess. |
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Jan-10-24
| | jnpope: <chesshistoryinterest> Re: Weiner Schachzeitung
I probably missed checking there in my hunt.
The Cleveland Public Library doesn't have the most friendly of interfaces, but you should be able to see which periodicals have been scanned here:
https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/d... |
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Jan-10-24
| | jnpope: <stone free or die> Re: Magyar sakkvilág
Thanks for the link. I'll update the CA library page with that (and those Weiner Schachzeitung vols). |
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| Jan-10-24 | | Chessist: Game 6 was played on October 31, indeed, and this description fits to the game score: https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... |
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Jan-11-24
| | Tabanus: https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/..., Der Sammler, Nr. 146, 5 December 1891, p. 8: <Die siebente Partie war abgebrochen worden und Herr v. Scheve entschuldigte sich, an dem für das Weiterspiel anberaumten Tage wegen einer in seiner Familie vorgekommenen Erkrankung, worauf Herr Walbrodt nicht blos die abgebrochene, sondern auch noch eine weitere Partie zu seinen Gunsten reklamirte, weil erstere nur noch kurze Zeit beansprucht hätte und voraussichtlich während der ausgefallenen Sitzung eine neue Partie begonnen worden wäre. Das Schiedsgericht wies diese Ansprüche zurück> = something like (please correct):
The seventh game had been adjourned and Mr. v. Scheve apologized for the days scheduled for further play because of an illness that had occurred in his family, whereupon Mr. Walbrodt not only complained about the adjourned game, but also argued for the next game in his favor, because the former would only have taken a short time and a new game would then probably have been started. The arbiter(s) rejected these claims. |
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| Jan-11-24 | | Chessist: "day" instead of "days".
"Tage" = dative singular
In fact, only the adjourned game was scored in Walbrodt's favor. |
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Jan-11-24
 | | Sally Simpson: I checked on three of the players philmsu supplied data for and none have been updated. Biographer Bistro (kibitz #27657) and the next post. I strongly suspect none of the above data has been added to these players. Instead this site persists in what is a rather worrying fixation with dead Victorian players. 100 years from now these players will be dead Elizabethan players. Adding the data that philmsu supplied will aid C.G. researchers in 2124. |
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Jan-11-24
 | | MissScarlett: Are there any undead Victorian players? |
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Jan-11-24
 | | Stonehenge: David Beckham is still alive. |
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Jan-11-24
| | MissScarlett: Why should we help future generations of researchers. What have they ever done for us? |
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Jan-11-24
| | jnpope: <Sally Simpson>, first off, I try to stay with things I know and have an interest in, i.e. players who played their first game prior to 1900. Second, he stated "according to Di Felice" so I immediately presume the data is full of errors and not worth trusting until proven otherwise. |
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Jan-11-24
| | jnpope: <Tabanus>, thank you! That solves my outstanding questions regarding the postponement.
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Jan-11-24
| | jnpope: Doing my preliminary research into Alapin - Albin (1900)
Four of the games can be found in <Wiener Schachzeitung>, v3 n4/5, April/May 1900, one game can be dated to 26-Feb-1900 from <Deutsche Schachzeitung>.But I have a sneaking suspicion that all the games came from <Deutsches Wochenschach>. I think <chesshistoryinterst> is correct in stating that someone should attempt to make a digital record of the volumes missing from the online archives, as this title is an extremely important journal. |
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