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Jan-11-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi jnpope,
I just thought it was a shame that the lad went to all that trouble and nobody has acted. I appreciate and acknowledge your interest in games played before 1900. I too have a few odd hobbies, I collected models of the Chitty Chtty Bang Bang car (with the four figures!) I had 15 before I started selling them for serious money and now have one left. Hi Miss Scarlett,
The 2124 C.G. researchers are going to frown upon you for being so unhelpful. I wonder if the internet will still be around in 2124. Private Eye magazine recently pointed itself to an article they published in the 1980's saying this new internet thing is a fad and will be primarily used by anoraks to talk to each other. |
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Jan-12-24
 | | Tabanus: <Chessist> Thanks. I reposted on the Walbrodt - von Scheve (1891) page. We don't have Dativ in written Norwegian any more :) |
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| Jan-12-24 | | stone free or die: <<Sally> I checked on three of the players philmsu supplied data for and none have been updated.> Ah, you checked, but then again, you didn't check. First of all, who is <philmsu>? OK, we can search him out in his profile - but perhaps he should make an introduction of some kind here first? Biographers have a fairly good idea on the reliability of other biographers - but, frankly, I don't have any clue about <philmsu> (at the moment). Secondly - how do we know the dates he provided are accurate? This is related to the previous question. E.g., if <Stonehenge> presented such a list I'd know it's almost certainly correct. But I'd still ask him (as I often do) this question... <What are your sources?> Lastly, for the highest level of reliability and accuracy - I'd ask <phil> to utilize FIDE id in addition to the player names. After all, it's really easy to get confused when two players have the same name, and using the FIDE id would allow a script to update all that info automatically in the db. Now, I could have tried to communicate all that to <phil> previously, true. But then again, <Sally> could have as well. And should have before asking the info get folded into <CG>. |
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Jan-12-24
| | Tabanus: I Q&D added Korchnoi - Tal Candidates Semifinal (1968) to the TI. The players are 100 years younger, so don't complain ;) They are also no longer alive. Thanks to Douglas Griffin for https://dgriffinchess.wordpress.com.... |
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Jan-12-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Stone,
I understand. The lad could have or should have sourced. I checked these three, a clutch chosen at random. IM Domen Tisaj 10/10/2002
IM Jan Miesbauer 26/01/2001
IM V. S. Raahul 09/02/2003
The full details given are not on here so I went a sourcing. According to chess.com all three have the same year of birth but give all three as being born on the 1st of January for that year. https://www.chess.com/players/domen...
https://www.chess.com/players/raahu...
https://www.chess.com/games/jan-mie...
(probably a data field that has to filled so the 1st of Jan is a default) So perhaps philmsu can contact chess.com with the data, let them check it and then perhaps we can use it. There again, do we really need the exact D.O.B. The only people that it appears to be of any value to is those who wish players (both dead and alive) a Happy Birthday. They should visit chess.com on the 1st of Jan and have a gala day. |
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Jan-12-24
| | Tabanus: Raahul dob here: https://aicf.in/national-sub-junior..., and 385 others. |
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Jan-12-24
| | Sally Simpson: It is a lot of work for somebody, do we really need the exact details. As I said before only the few Happy Birthday wishers use it. Most here are more interested in the players rating. We could fob people off with just the year saying giving the full details contravenes the Data Protection Act. It doesn't but it's a time honoured excuse. |
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Jan-12-24
 | | MissScarlett: According to his Wikipedia page, Bernhard Gregory lost a match 4-1 to Frank Marshall in Berlin in December 1908. Two of these games appear in the January 1909 <DSZ> - not (yet) in our DB. All well and good, but the March number then has another match game dated November. In late November, Marshall played a match with Mieses: Marshall - Mieses (1908). Was there an overlap or did all the Gregory games happen in December? |
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Jan-12-24
| | MissScarlett: I should point out the games in the January number were dated the 8th and 9th of December. |
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Jan-12-24
| | Tabanus: <Der amerikansische schachmeister Marshall, der soeben in seinem Wettkampf gegen Mieses als Sieger hervorging, hat eine Herausforderung des Berliner Meisterspielers Gregory angenommen. Das Match, in dem fünf Partien um den Einsatz von je 200 Mark gespielt werden, nimmt Montag nachmittag 4 Uhr im Café Kerkan seinen Anfang.> (Berliner Tageblatt 6 Dec 1898 p. 6) Berliner Tageblatt 9 Dec 1898 p. 6 says game 1 was adjourned on Monday (7 Dec) and resumed with 11 moves on Tuesday. Marshall won. On 8 Dec also game 2 was played and Gregory won with black, the moves are here: https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... |
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Jan-12-24
| | Tabanus: Berliner Tageblatt 10 Dec 1898 p. 6 gives the 3rd game played 9 Dec. Marshall won in 14 moves. https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... Berliner Tageblatt 11 Dec 1898 p. 6 gives game 4 played on 10 Dec. Marshall won. Berliner Tageblatt 12 Dec 1898 p. 6 gives game 5 played on 11 Dec. Marshall won. +4 -1 |
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| Jan-12-24 | | Chessist: 1898 ? Or 1908 ? |
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| Jan-12-24 | | Chessist: According to Chessbase Mega Database - which gives all five games - the games were played from December 7th to 11th (1908), one game every day. |
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Jan-12-24
| | Tabanus: 1908. |
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Jan-12-24
| | MissScarlett: Games 2 + 3: Marshall vs B Gregory, 1908 & B Gregory vs Marshall, 1908 The March game was won by Marshall as White in 40 moves. I assume it's game 4. |
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Jan-12-24
| | MissScarlett: We don't need no stinking Chessbase! |
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Jan-12-24
| | MissScarlett: Please confirm - using Chessbase if you must - that this is game 4: Marshall vs B Gregory, 1908 |
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Jan-12-24
 | | jnpope: It is, as <Tabanus> reported, it can be found in <Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung>, Morning Edition, 1908.12.10, p6. |
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Jan-12-24
| | jnpope: I added games 1 and 5: Marshall - Gregory (1908)
Game five comes from <Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung>, Morning Edition, 1908.12.12, p6, but game one came from Brasilbase's Marshall project and I don't have a contemporary source for it as the deutsche-digitale-bibliothek is missing the <Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung>'s morning edition for 1908.12.08. |
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Jan-12-24
| | jnpope: <It is, as <Tabanus> reported, it can be found in <Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung>, Morning Edition, 1908.12.1<<1>>, p6.> Damn it. |
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Jan-12-24
| | jnpope: Note the deutsche-digitale-bibliothek interface is crap. If you are on 1908.12.10 and go forward one day from the interface, it doesn't show you the morning edition for 1908.12.11 and there is no apparent link to check "other editions" (like some sites). I found it by using search and winnowing down the dates using the filter to find that particular issue. |
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| Jan-12-24 | | stone free or die: It's here:
https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibli... And I think <jn> is harsh on the interface - few allow a quick switch between morning and evening editions (who actually does?). Yes, I found it just looking for <Marshall Gregory 1908> hits which are few enough to quickly scan by eye. <Source_url> my friends, <Source_url>. (Despite the (un)planned-obsolescence!) |
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Jan-12-24
| | jnpope: After Marshall's match with Gregory he went to Hamburg and gave a simultaneous performance. While there he also played two match games with Paul Krüger (both are published in <Wiener Schachzeitung>, v12 n1, January 1909, pp13-16 which cites it's source as the <Hamburger Nachrichten>. Do we have an online source for the <Hamburger Nachrichten>? And should these games be considered a two game event, i.e. "Marshall - Krueger", or should they just be labeled as "Match Game" in the event field? |
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| Jan-12-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Hamburger Nachrichten> <<3. Hamburger Nachrichten, 1792-1939>, beginning as an advertisement and local paper it developed into an important conservative political paper on national level, intimately accompanying Bismarck’s political career...
All the aforementioned periodicals are or will soon be available to users of the <Europeana Newspapers> browser. The papers no. 1-6 are being OCR-refined within the Europeana Newspaper project. The other two are to be integrated in the European newspaper browser later as well and will possibly undergo refinement procedures later.> http://www.europeana-newspapers.eu/... Here's the suggested browser:
http://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/t... |
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Jan-12-24
| | jnpope: The suggest browser just redirects me to https://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/ with no indication how to access the newspapers, or am I missing something? |
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