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Jan-12-24		stone free or die: I'm unfortunately still rusty - this is just following links from my notes and searches on the newspaper title. It was promised to be OCR'ed, but I guess we both have to keep digging to see if it's really there yet.

Jan-12-24		stone free or die: OK, that interface might be a more worthy candidate for criticism... Again, from my notes: <<European> (generally not so useful, unfortunately): European library newspapers: http://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/t...> https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2019...

Jan-12-24		stone free or die: The German wiki page for the newspaper gives this link, which seems to contain some titles: https://www.europeana.eu/de/search?... A work (or search) in progress...

Jan-12-24		stone free or die: Do we have a specific date range of interest? (Ie. when Marshall was in Hamburg?)

Jan-12-24		MissScarlett: <It is, as <Tabanus> reported, it can be found in <Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung>, Morning Edition, 1908.12.11, p6.> Note that this exceeds 64 characters, exceeding the submission limit, which results in the Source tag being curtailed. The two remedies are i) to subsequenly edit the source to its full glory (when the limit no longer applies), or ii)be mindful in the first place and judiciously trim the fat. Is there any compelling reason to include <und Handels-Zeitung> here?

Jan-12-24		jnpope: Marshall appears to have given performances in Hamburgon 15 December 1908 and 17 December 1908, so I'd estimate he was there anytime between the end of his match with Gregory (on 11 December 1908) and probably no later than 25 December 1908.

Jan-12-24		jnpope: <Note that this exceeds 64 characters> sigh, CG really needs to fix this to follow the PGN spec. <Is there any compelling reason to include <und Handels-Zeitung> here?> Maybe not. I just took the title from the website.

Jan-12-24		stone free or die: <sigh, CG really needs to fix this to follow the PGN spec.> Can I get an Amen!?

Jan-12-24		MissScarlett: A Men

Jan-12-24		jnpope: I went with Marshall - Krueger (1908), otherwise the TID's event name would just be "Match Game" which doesn't make any sense when grouping the games together.

Jan-13-24		stone free or die: Just for <Missy>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o... <"Don't make any mistakes!"> <"You don't know anything about rhythm">

Jan-13-24		Tabanus: https://www.europeana.eu/en/search (I updated my forum header) Click on "show advanced search", fill out Field (full-text), Modifier (contains) and Search-terms (Marshall, Krüger next line, etc.). One cannot search by date.

Jan-13-24		jnpope: Is there a way to search by newspaper title?

Jan-13-24		jnpope: Thanks for the search tips <Tabanus>. I was able to nail down the dates of play for the two games played in Marshall - Krueger (1908) The <Neue Hamburger Zeitung>, 1908.12.19, p(14) gives "Freitag und Sonnabend" after the "Donnerstag" simul given on 17-December, so that should make it the 18th and 19th. One more mystery solved.

Jan-13-24		Tabanus: Neue Hamburger Zeitung (Abend-Ausgabe) 24 Dec 1908 p. 14 has Game 2 played 19 Dec 1908: https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/92... Game 1 probably also in there somewhere. Well, both are in from WS.

Jan-13-24		Tabanus: <Is there a way to search by newspaper title?> I could not find any. Apparently only "full-text" works.

Jan-13-24		jnpope: It doesn't look like they have the edition of the <Hamburger Nachrichten> that carried the chess column, but it's nice to have the <Neue Hamburger Zeitung>.

Jan-13-24		Tabanus: Found https://zeitungen.sub.uni-hamburg.d... = Hamburg newspapers but not H. Nachrichten and Neue H. Zeitung. :( According to https://wiki.genealogy.net/Digitale... (updated 7 Dec 2023) the two are no longer online. They are still in https://www.europeana.eu/en/search though.

Jan-13-24		stone free or die: <Tab> - do you know how to add a date filter to a search result on <www.europeana.eu>? If I search on <Marshall,Krüger> and then try to add a <Issue Date> <1908> filter I don't get any results, even though I know there's hits: E.g. https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/92... It seems I can search on a specific date though: https://www.europeana.eu/en/search?... Also, is it correct that the search terms don't have to be on the same page, but rather, just in the same issue? Now that's a bad interface.

Jan-13-24		jnpope: <If I search on <Marshall,Krüger> and then try to add a <Issue Date> <1908> filter I don't get any results, even though I know there's hits> I was able to isolate the year by using <When> and entering "1908". https://www.europeana.eu/en/search?... <Also, is it correct that the search terms don't have to be on the same page, but rather, just in the same issue?> That seems to be the case.

Jan-13-24		jnpope: Looks like the column started 30-June-1900. Apparently it ran to October-1934 (with a war-time interruption in 1914/15), per Whyld.

Jan-13-24		Chessist: "Neue Hamburger Zeitung" ceased publication at the end of August 1922.

Jan-13-24		jnpope: I wonder where Whyld picked up October-1934 as the end date?

Jan-14-24		Chessist: Unfortunately we can no longer question Mr Whyld about this.

Jan-14-24		jnpope: Doing some preliminary work on Walbrodt - von Bardeleben (1892) <Aus Berlin. Im Wettkampfe v. Bardeleben - Walbrodt wurde die achte Partie bis zum Endspiel durchgeführt und dann abgebrochen. Da Herr v. Bardeleben am festgesetzten Spieltage unentschuldigt ausblieb, so wurde ihm die Partie als verloren angerechnet; aus demselben Grunde auch die neunte, die am 21. d. M. gespielt werden sollte.> Source: <Deutsches Wochenschach>, v8 n26, 26 June 1892, p215 This seems to indicate that von Bardeleben failed to resume the eighth game from adjournment and then also forfeited the ninth game scheduled to be played on the 21st. Is my understanding correct? And as eight games had been played up to that report, the fifth game given in <Deutsche Schachzeitung>, v47 n7, July 1892, pp205-206, must be incorrectly dated as July 10 and was probably played on June 10?

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