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Mar-26-24		jnpope: I've turned up one, and only one, "G. Andrews" living in Glasgow. Mr. George Andrews (of Howlison, Andrews, & Co.), house, 95 Ardgowan street. I think if we can exclude him as being "G. Andrews" then that supports the Thomson alias case.

Mar-26-24		jnpope: Ok, Young was the one who recorded and annotated the game for the <Glasgow Weekly Herald>, which seems to be a good indication that it would have been the stronger of the two Youngs, so I'm assigning James Young to this game: W Tait / Young vs Blackburne, 1882

Mar-26-24		jnpope: I checked the <Scotsman> and from May 28 to June 1, 1901, the crosstables do give the entry (with quotation marks): <"G. Andrews"> which does indicate an alias. As for the BCM (1901, p287) and Field (June 15) crosstables for the tournament both have "A. Lawson" in place of the <"G. Andrews"> entry, which somewhat begs the question if there as a real "A. Lawson" who was attempting to play under the name of <"G. Andrews">? Or has the existence of an "A. Lawson" been ruled out already leaving only Thomson as the suspect?

Mar-26-24		jnpope: I've found living in Glasgow: Alex. Lawson, lithographer, engraver, printer, and stationer, 29 Hutcheson street. Archibald Lawson, local secretary, Scottish Fire Insurance Co. (Limited), 123 St. Vincent street; house, 24 Sandyford place. Do either of these gentlemen show up in the club rolls?

Mar-27-24		Alan McGowan: I have kept lists of the members of various Glasgow clubs that appeared in reports up to 1939. I have never come across an A. Lawson, except for the 1901 Scottish championship, which resulted in a dog's breakfast of reports. The usually reliable Falkirk Herald column of 29 May 1901, p8, showed eight entries, including "A. Lawson" of Glasgow, but no mention of "G. Andrews". I have no explanation for why G.A. Thomson - if indeed it was him - would choose to enter some tournaments under his own name and others under a pseudonym. It is not as if he was a church minister.

Mar-28-24		jnpope: Here are a few more semi-unknowns from Blackburne's next visit to Glasgow: Blackburne vs W Kinghorn, 1883 Blackburne vs Kennedy, 1883 Blackburne vs John S Pagan, 1883 Blackburne vs John Kirk, 1883 Blackburne vs Abrahams, 1883 Blackburne vs Quin, 1883 <I have no explanation for why G.A. Thomson - if indeed it was him - would choose to enter some tournaments under his own name and others under a pseudonym. > The only tenuous explanation I can think of would be that in the 1st meeting he didn't feel comfortable playing in the Championship, but was coerced into doing so, which he then did under a pseudonym to perhaps prevent any embarrassment, but he held his own. Then he played as himself in the 3rd meeting's Championship, and got pounded. So perhaps under some colour of embarrassment he then played in the 5th meeting's Minor tourney under his pseudonym out of shame, and upon redeeming himself by winning that year's Minor he once again returned to using his own name in the subsequent Championships? The 1901 appearance of his pseudonym in the final crosstable in the <Scotsman> would seem to imply it was Thomson. But the publication of the same crosstable in the <BCM> and <Field> swapping out "G. Andrews" with "A. Lawson" has me stumped. And if it was Thomson then my embarrasement/shame theory starts to fall apart as he had no issues playing as himself in 1891, 1894, and 1897 with below par results. So why try to hide behind the pseudonym one more time in 1901?

Mar-28-24		Nosnibor: I believe there could be another 300 games of Blackburne arising from simuls and blindfold exhibitions not reflected in the C.G. collection.

Mar-28-24		jnpope: At the very least. I was thinking 500 or more.

Mar-28-24		MissScarlett: <I know Hoffer published a lot of material in The Field (and I think he referenced that material as coming from Charousek's MS, but I have no idea if Hoffer ever possessed it or if things were just sent to him by someone, perhaps Maroczy? I'm not sure who may possess the original MS now.> Biographer Bistro (kibitz #26180) I think there are only a handful of Charousek's MS games in the <Field>; I've discovered that he published many more in his column in the <Westminster Gazette> and have started the process of uploading them, where necessary, and collecting them in Game Collection: Charousek MS. Some of them were already uploaded here back in 2021 by User: jessicafischerqueen. I think her main source was the <Quarterly for Chess History>. Some of these games would have been published in Hungarian sources before Hoffer in the <WG>, but for the present, at least, I'm going to credit the <WG> as the source.

Mar-28-24		Alan McGowan: Blackburne, Glasgow 1883: Neil Kennedy (12 August 1836, Glasgow-4 May 1899, Glasgow) John S Pagan https://www.chessscotland.com/docum... J. Abrahams (supporter of Scottish Chess Association) A. Quin (BCM 1881, p72) Nothing more on William Kinghorn and John Kirk.

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Mar-29-24		jnpope: <Alan McGowan>, thanks again. I've updated the player's bios with what is so far known about them. As for William Kinghorn, I've found two living in Glasgow, one was a mason/builder living at 18 Park st.; Kinning park, at the other was a joiner living at 100 Paterson street. I've got no hits for John Kirk.

Mar-29-24		MissScarlett: <At the very least. I was thinking 500 or more.> Optimistic, I would venture. There may be that many residing in all possible sources, but how long before there is online access to such an array? That said, here's a couple more: Blackburne vs W Gurner, 1901 and Blackburne vs W G Mackie, 1901

Mar-29-24		jnpope: Based on his longevity, 500 seems reasonable to me. Right now we have slightly over 1500+ Blacjburne games. I was able to dig up 1400+ Pillsbury games so I think 2000 published Blackburne games over the course of his lifetime was possible/probable. Whether or not we can track them all down is another matter.

Mar-29-24		jnpope: Perhaps something to work on after I finish Zukertort.

Mar-29-24		MissScarlett: <Based on his longevity, 500 seems reasonable to me.> Yes, but there were long periods of inactivity during the 1860s and 1870s, and the last couple of decades of his life. Using the Internet Archive, I looked back the other day to how many Blackburne games were here in 2015 (the year of Harding's biography which undoubtedly acted as an impetus) - about 950. So we've added well over 500 in 9 years - I'm probably responsible for the majority of them - but the low-hanging fruit are long gone and we're deep into the territory of diminishing marginal returns. Occasionally, as with Blackburne's displays in Australia, a healthy seam is hit, but don't expect many.

Mar-29-24		jnpope: Sage advice

Mar-29-24		MissScarlett: That said, Blackburne vs J E Goodwin, 1897 and Blackburne vs S Meredith, 1897.

Mar-29-24		Alan McGowan: For <jnpope>: William Kinghorn: Kinghorn was not a common name in Glasgow at the time. The 1881 census shows the mason and the carpenter, but it also has William Kinghorn, a cashier, age 32, at 98 Pollok Street. Mr Kinghorn died June 4, 1889. He was 40, and described as an Accountant. When the Wanderers CC was formed in 1884 (Glasgow Weekly Herald, 29 March 1884), William Kinghorn was appointed Treasurer. He seems like the main candidate.

Mar-29-24		jnpope: Blackburne vs Offord, 1902 (Ms Offord) J H Blackburne / G Colburne vs F Jenour / F J Marshall, 1902 (Colbourne?) Blackburne vs Allies, 1894 H Chapman / NN vs Chapman / J H Blackburne, 1893 (Blackburne partnered with Ms Chapman). I feel like I have a few hundred Blackburne games not in CG... this could take some time sorting out...

Mar-29-24		jnpope: <Alan McGowan>, Agreed.

Mar-30-24		mifralu: Can anyone confirm that the games in Bad Saarow (1935) weren't played by Herbert Ullrich but Bruno Ullrich? Now I'm unsure because EDO also has Herbert Ullrich, see his notes http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/...

Mar-30-24		Chessist: From printed sources: Deutsche Schachzeitung, October 1935, page 290: "B. Ullrich". Schach-Echo, October 5, 1935, page 223: "der noch ungeprüfte Berliner Ullrich" = "the still untested Berliner Ullrich" (Herbert Ullrich came from Dresden.) Di Felice aka Der Fälscher, Chess Results 1931-1935, page 282: ULLRICH, Heinz

Mar-31-24		Chessist: Preview of the participants in Bad Saarow in: Deutsche Schachblätter, 15.09.1935, page 273: "und 2 Vertreter der Berliner Spitzenklasse" = "and 2 representatives of Berlin's top class". (= Ullrich and Vogt) Bruno Ullrich came from Berlin. Edochess is clearly wrong.

Mar-31-24		jnpope: Five of the six games played in Glasgow 15-Oct-1892. We know Jonas and Chilchrist, the other three are mystery Scots: Blackburne vs J M Finlayson, 1892 Blackburne vs C M Jonas, 1892 Blackburne vs Greenlees, 1892 Blackburne vs John Gilchrist, 1892 Blackburne vs Kemp, 1892 Assorted Brits. We know Pitt. I'm guessing James Cairns, Myer Kaizer and William Dod, but I have no idea about Bulley. And who is this other Bird chap? Blackburne vs William R Pitt, 1892 J H Blackburne / Bulley vs Cairns / Kaizer / W Dod, 1892 Blackburne vs A Bird, 1892

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