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Apr-04-24  Nosnibor: I believe that the game against J Tarrant was played at the Clearing House on April 5th 1878 where he scored 6 wins a draw and a loss in a simul.
Apr-04-24
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  jnpope: I'll double check but I have that Tarrant game coming from the <Field> of March 30. But I do believe Tarrant participated at the Clearing House exhibition in April.
Apr-04-24  Nosnibor: The Field stated on March 30 that the simultaneous exhibition would be held on April 5 in order to give notice to interested parties.
Apr-04-24
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  jnpope: I just double checked and the Tarrant game was played March 16, 1878:

Blackburne Blindfold Simul 8b, London (1878)

Which gives us six of the eight games played on that occasion.

The Railway Clearing-House exhibition participants/results were (from the <Field>, 1878.04.20, p475):
1 Kindell Jr. (Drew)
2 Blackburne vs Eades, 1878 (Eales?)
3 Tuckfield (Lost)
4 Hoare (Lost)
5 Underdown (Lost)
6 Blackburne vs W Knight, 1878
7 Tarrant (Lost)
8 Hill (Won)

So Tarrant participated in both.

Apr-04-24
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  MissScarlett: With new uploads, it's best to check for ragged pgns: https://www.chessgames.com/nodejs/g...
Apr-04-24
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  jnpope: Is there a problem? Pgn4web has no issue with "ragged" pgn data and as far as I know it's not an issue in the PGN spec.
Apr-04-24
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  MissScarlett: It looks a mess! Fix it.
Apr-04-24
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  jnpope: I'm half-tempted to add a line-break after every move pair... but I won't.

As long as the PGN doesn't break the viewer or hinder some other piece of functionality, such as import/export into CB or SCID, I'm not investing one second of my time into fixing something that should be fixed programmatically in the CG upload/import code.

Apr-04-24
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  MissScarlett: Get her!
Apr-05-24
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  MissScarlett: <[Event "?"]
[Site "Haarlem NED"]
[Date "1901.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Benjamin Leussen"]
[Black "Adolf Georg Olland"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e6 5. Nc3 Nf6 6. Ndb5 Bb4 7. Bf4 Nxe4 8. Nc7+ Kf8 9. Qd3 d5 10. Nxa8 Qf6 11. f3 Nxc3 12. Bd2 Qe5+ 13. Qe3 Qxe3+ 14. Bxe3 d4 15. Bd2 Nd5 16. Bxb4+ Ncxb4 17. O-O-O Nxa2+ 18. Kb1 Nac3+ 19. bxc3 Nxc3+ 20. Kc1 Nxd1 21. Kxd1 Ke7 22. Nc7 a6 23. Na8 b5 24. Nc7 Kd6 25. Nxb5+ axb5 26. Bxb5 Kc5 27. Bd3 Bb7 28. Kd2 Ra8 29. Rb1 Bc6 30. Ke2 h6 31. Kd2 e5 32. Re1 f6 33. Rb1 g6 34. Re1 Re8 35. Re2 f5 36. Re1 e4 37. fxe4 fxe4 38. Bf1 Rf8 39. Be2 Rf2 40. Rf1 Rxe2+ 0-1>

A game from the Westminster Gazette, September 1901, which states that it's from the 'recent International Amateur tournament at Haarlem,' So presumably this event - http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/... - except that according to the crosstable - https://web.archive.org/web/2018012... - Leussen won his game with Olland: Olland vs B Leussen, 1901

As Olland won the event outright, there wouldn't seem to be the need for any play-off games.

These two apparently played a match earlier in 1901 - of which <CG> has two games. Could it be from that?

Apr-05-24
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  Stonehenge: I have found some more games of that match. I'll have a look.
Apr-05-24
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  MissScarlett: I see that match was played in Utrecht.
Apr-05-24
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  Stonehenge: <I see that match was played in Utrecht.> Yes:

Olland-Leussen Match (1900/01)

I can't find that Haarlem game.

Apr-05-24  Chessist: That match began in Utrecht in November 1900.
TNS 1901, p149: Olland 9, Leussen 4 = 2 > 10:5.
Apr-05-24
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  MissScarlett: I trust I haven't upset User: jnpope. There are still 470 Blackburne games to go.
Apr-05-24
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  jnpope: Still here and still sifting through my database for more Blackburne games.
Apr-05-24
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  jnpope: Anyone up on their Irish?

Blackburne vs A T Bassett, 1894 (CG is unsure)
Blackburne vs James Young, 1894 (CG has James)
Blackburne vs M Woollett, 1894 (CG is unsure)
Blackburne vs E A Robinson, 1894
Blackburne vs E A Robinson, 1894
Blackburne vs R A Williams, 1894
Blackburne vs Gracie Shaw, 1894
Blackburne vs Mrs J T Mrs Barrett, 1894 (CG ingested oddly)

Apr-05-24
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  MissScarlett: <(CG ingested oddly)> This is what I meant by raggedness, not frayed edges. You're doing something wrong, because my <{notes}> are never frazzled.
Apr-06-24
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  jnpope: Notes? I didn't notice anything wrong with the notes. I think SCID line breaks them when it creates a PGN.

The name ingestion gets wonky here due to the way CG converts things from "last name, first name" to "first name last name" especially if a title is involved in there.

Apr-06-24  Nosnibor: You are doing a great jnpope on the Blackburne games mission!
Apr-06-24
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  Stonehenge: Feel free to improve:

FJ Lee & Co vs Blackburne & Co, 1905.

Apr-06-24
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  MissScarlett: What's wrong with Joseph Henry Blackburne / Allies?
Apr-06-24
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  Stonehenge: Not sure about ally or allies.

Not sure about the year here:

<played at the yearly chess festival at Hastings>

Blackburne / J A Watt vs Gunsberg / Dobell, 1906.

Apr-06-24
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  Stonehenge: And a last one:

Atkins / Gunsberg vs Blackburne / T F Lawrence, 1908.

Apr-07-24
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  MissScarlett: Hoffer gives <W Winkler> in Schlechter vs Winkler, 1901. The same as Pillsbury vs Winkler, 1902?
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