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Sep-14-08
 | | chancho: Some links for those who might be interested with the Sicilian Richter Rauzer defense: http://www.wtharvey.com/b60.html
http://chesscoach1950.blogspot.com/... |
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| Sep-14-08 | | kb2ct: I assume there is no 6...e5 forum because the Sveshnikov is not forced and Rybka really likes the following.... 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3.
Nf3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e5 7. Bxf6 gxf6 8. Nf5 Bxf5 9. exf5 
click for larger viewI am pleased.
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Sep-14-08
 | | kutztown46: <classF>
Thanks for posting the forums on the main page. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: <I hate to say this because we should look at everything but e6 is going to win the vote and work on Qb6 is a waste of time even if it turns out to be a better move.
> the runaway voting concerns me, it might not hurt us now but soon it could |
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| Sep-14-08 | | nimzo19: <Judah>: Voted e5 to prevent doubled pawns like e6 does, while gaining a tempo by kicking the Knight. With all due respect, it seems to me, 6...e5 does give black doubled pawns almost by force. For example: if 6...e5, then play can continue as follows:
7. Bxf6 Qxf6 8. Nd5 Qd8 9. Nb5. Obviously this gives black a terrible game, therefore, he would pretty much be forced to recapture 7...gxf6. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Velimirovicov: i agree. More and more are voting for ...e6 because it has more games to its credit, ignoring that 6...Qb6 offers Black excellent chances. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | dotsamoht: <Red October: <I hate to say this because we should look at everything but e6 is going to win the vote and work on Qb6 is a waste of time even if it turns out to be a better move. > the runaway voting concerns me, it might not hurt us now but soon it could.> Yeah... How can people vote so quickly? Should not the discerning voter check out the forums before deciding which camp to join? I have no idea what move I shall choose at this point. |
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Sep-14-08
 | | Tabanus: chancho's http://chesscoach1950.blogspot.com/..., scroll down and the "secret" heh? move in this very logical (but boring?) line is 17...Rac8 However, Opening Explorer does not have 17...Rac8 at all. |
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Sep-14-08
| | Tabanus: I have not tried it on the computer, can't white play 18.Qxa7? |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Judah: < nimzo19: <Judah>: Voted e5 to prevent doubled pawns like e6 does, while gaining a tempo by kicking the Knight. With all due respect, it seems to me, 6...e5 does give black doubled pawns almost by force. For example: if 6...e5, then play can continue as follows: 7. Bxf6 Qxf6 8. Nd5 Qd8 9. Nb5. Obviously this gives black a terrible game, therefore, he would pretty much be forced to recapture 7...gxf6.> I see. You are right. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Dick Brain: <Red October et al> ..e6 will win because everybody knows it's playable and the normal move. It's too early to be thinking much in this game. |
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Sep-14-08
| | Tabanus: Who is this guy ChessCoach1977? 30 years of age, "Professional Chess Coach and Player in Manhattan". Runs the site "Chess Opening Secrets Revealed", http://chesscoach1950.blogspot.com/... |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: < Dick Brain: <Red October et al> ..e6 will win because everybody knows it's playable and the normal move. It's too early to be thinking much in this game. > au contraire IMHO we should be thinking about the kind of positions the candidate moves lead to |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: I dont want to be <Chief Dark Cloud> but one difference between OTB play and CC is that a playable move in an OTB game can lead to a lot of trouble in CC especially in the end game since there is time to carefully nurse advantages to a win obviously OTB moves cannot be disregarded, more so when the move is strong and there is no reason to disregard 6...e6 but let us keep an open mind for at least a day and go through the alternatives, if not only to reinforce our trust in 6...e6 |
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| Sep-14-08 | | JSYantiss: ajile, are you trying to be a rabbleRauzer? ;) |
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Sep-14-08
 | | Ron: My vote is for 6. ... e6 |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: no doubt about it we're on the <Rauzer's edge> |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: Vsevolod Rauzer <Jul-03-07
Chess Carnival:
From Mark Taimanov's 'Winning with the Sicilian':
<<<<"Rauzer was obsessive as an analyst and his creative fantasy prompted him into surprising discoveries. He believed, from a subjectively paradoxical argument, that the advantage of the first move should wield a tangible advantage with an energetic treatment of the opening. It would seem that Rauzer wanted to demonstrate that in the initial chess position, as in a study, one could formulate the task - 'White to play and win!'"> (page 7) >>>> |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Dick Brain: <Red October> Yes there are other decent moves (eg ...Qb6 ...Bd7). Some might be arguably more interesting than ...e6. My only point was that ...e6 wins because it's book, the most obvious, and most natural. That is how we, the World, since we are a committee, tend to play the opening. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | kb2ct: 6..e5 voters might want to see the following
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3.
Nf3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e5 7. Bxf6 gxf6 8. Nf5 Bxf5 9. exf5 Nd4
10. Qxd4 exd4 11. Bb5+ Qd7
click for larger viewThis is winning in CC and is the difference between e5 now and earlier. :0)
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| Sep-14-08 | | Red October: this is one aspect of the World's play which I hoped would evolve a little this time around |
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| Sep-14-08 | | DPLeo: <kwid: ...Do we have mate in 33 moves? 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f4 b5 10. Bxf6 gxf6 11. Kb1 b4 12. Nce2 Qb6 13. f5 e5 14. Nxc6 Bxc6 15. Ng3 Qc5 16. Bd3 Rg8 17. Nh5 Be7 18. Rhg1 a5 19. Qh6 a4 20. Qxh7 Rf8 21. Qh6 a3 22. Rge1 Rg8 23. Re2 axb2 24. Kxb2 Qc3+ 25. Kb1 Rxa2 26. Kxa2 Kd7 27. Nxf6+ Bxf6 #13> Nice example of how black can press the issue with a queen side attack in this kind of opening. I think white can thwart the attack by trying 17.Rc1 instead of Nh5. The white counter attack on the king side isn't quick enough so concentrating on defense seems to be his best option. After 17.Rc1 play could coninue. 17... a5
18.c3 b3
19.axb3
click for larger viewShredder Depth=20
1.  (0.62): 19...Rb8 20.Bc2 Rg5 21.Qd3 Qb6 22.Rhe1 2. ± (1.20): 19...Qb6 20.Bc4 a4 21.b4 a3 22.bxa3 And white seems to be in no immediate danger. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | dotsamoht: Okay, I know you guys hate CG database, but it is the reason I signed up for CG originally. It says to me that, of seasoned GMs having success against Richter-Rauzer, Gulko is the exemplar (highest rated, best results against good players). Gulko almost exclusively played 6... Qb6, so I am tempted to vote for 6... Qb6. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | dotsamoht: For the list, 6... Qb6 for me. I believe in Gulko. |
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| Sep-14-08 | | Artar1: My vote is 6...e6. |
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