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Oct-04-12
 | | HeMateMe: Gelfand had a wonderful opportunity. He went up 1-0 in a short match, his nerves got the best of him, and he quickly gave back the point. Lost the rapid tie breaker. |
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Oct-04-12 | | L13: <Gelfand, yeah he's old, but i'm more talking about Anand. But yeah, Gelfands always been solid/boring to me, but i don't say as much or care because he's not WC and he isn't representing chess like Anand is. He can play whatever and do whatever. Anand is just boring, off the board too. Same as Gelfand probably if he won and was WC. Kramnik was 'solid' too, but he's known for that for awhile, and that's how he became WC.> To address this and your other nonsensical points: It doesn't matter if you think the world champion is 'boring'; as long as he remains unbeaten, he's meeting every demand placed on him by the rest of the world elite. (Of which whiny patzers on the internet are not a part.) Similarly, Gelfand and Kramnik are doing what they need to do to 1. succeed in the game, and 2. maintain high ratings. You are not entitled to a particular style of play from them. I wish people on the internet would realise this and stop talking about elite chess players as if we're paying their wages--or as if there's one single way to play 'entertaining' chess. |
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Oct-04-12 | | Blunderdome: <You are not entitled to a particular style of play from them. I wish people on the internet would realise this and stop talking about elite chess players as if we're paying their wages--or as if there's one single way to play 'entertaining' chess.> I wish more people would take this viewpoint. |
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Oct-04-12
 | | HeMateMe: I think an imaginative tie breaker should have been put in place. uber mind <John Nunn> could have written a short, solveable mystery, using Sherlock Holmes/Victorian London clues and backround (It IS Simpsons in the Strand, after all). First chess master to solve the puzzle gets the tie break, maybe a few extra bucks, and gets to go out drinking with Russell Brand. What's not to like? |
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Oct-04-12 | | WiseWizard: Good job Gelfand, kill em all buddy. |
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Oct-04-12 | | hillsong: ex0duz: <Well, even Kasparov wasn't playing like Kasparov near the end of his career. Neither was Tal.> Kasparov still won tournaments though.. i think.
I can't remember the last time Anand won one(and the last one he one was probably like +2 shared win or something lol). And i don't think he will be on any of my picks to win any future tournament, like EVER(unless it's a WC match). Unless he starts trying to win games.. Does anyone here pick Anand to win anymore when he's in tournaments? Even if the top 5 weren't in the tournament(Aronian/Carlsen/Kramnik etc), i don't think anyone would pick him to win. As a WC, how can you be thought of like this? It's shameful. Which is why i say he should retire from tournament play if he doesn't wanna change or 'compete'.. sure, you can say he is trying his hardest and does want to win, but do you really believe that??? He's trying his hardest, or he can try harder and have better chance to win, but also a chance to lose? No risk/pain no gain maybe.. With the new tourneys with 3-1-0, i think it's a waste to include Anand. He certainly doesn't play to win or want to take risks. It's like it doesn't matter for him what rules they have.. he will play for draw and riskless game no matter what. You should lay of Anand a little bit,yeah he is not winning any major tournaments but that dosen't mean he isn't a great player,also i don't think its a good idea for him to retire and drop his wc title,someone should wrestle that wc title of him,like carlsen,but carlsen withdrew for the candidates tournament in 2011,( which makes me wonder wether he will play in next years tournement)anyway if anand plays boring chess thats his strong point(as a solid player who dosen't take much risks)not all wc champions can be like tal or kasparov,thats why anand is still the wc because of his style of play,so wether you agree or not Anand is a legend and he is far from boring |
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Oct-04-12 | | Beholder: <hillsong> Either you have a multiple personality disorder, or you need to learn how to quote posts. |
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Oct-04-12 | | fischer2009: <Beholder> ROFLMAO!!!I see your point :D |
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Oct-04-12 | | Appaz: <<parmetd> I think the end of this video answers all the patzers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs94>... Gelfand...I love this über-nerd! |
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Oct-04-12 | | jussu: <You are not entitled to a particular style of play from them. I wish people on the internet would realise this and stop talking about elite chess players as if we're paying their wages--or as if there's one single way to play 'entertaining' chess.> I occasionally make the social mistake of saying a sentence or two about chess to my friends outside the game. Their polite reactions help me not to forget that chess is a game where two people relocate wooden figues on a checkered board. The idea that one way of pushing wood around is somehow inherently braver, more glorious, or otherwise cooler than some other way to do it - it is utter nonsence to those fine and smart people I communicate everyday. And you know what - I sincererly think that, in this regard, they are much closer to truth than the people who play the game. |
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Oct-04-12 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <Jim Bartle: 17 to 4? Ouch. I guess I'd just have to hope Anand is happy with draws.> It's just as lopsided with Svidler, the six time Russian champion who has yet to beat Vishy in classical chess. |
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Oct-04-12 | | hillsong: Beholder: <hillsong> Either you have a multiple personality disorder, or you need to learn how to quote posts. lol, i have a multiple personality |
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Oct-04-12 | | Blunderdome: That video of the Gelfand interview is amazing. |
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Oct-04-12 | | Arcturar: Gelfand is the man! His interview comments are awesome, and are made even funnier by his usual modesty and "just quietly doing his thing" approach. |
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Oct-04-12 | | Arcturar: What DO the critics have to say? |
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Oct-04-12 | | Eyal: <What DO the critics have to say?> Well, take a look a couple of kibitzing pages back (FIDE Grand Prix London (2012)): he played "solid" – probably result of his WC prep, he's an old boring guy and a fossil and should just retire already so that Naka, Wang Hao & Giri could take over:-) |
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Oct-04-12
 | | perfidious: <Eyal> knows the score-the hasbeenusetawas Anand is still hiding mountains of opening prep for his upcoming match against Fischer, which will take place through a medium in spring 2013. For the great Vishy to pound on these so-called top players of today would be no challenge at all; Fischer's the only player, alive or dead, with any hope against him, and all Anand's efforts must be directed towards him. |
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Oct-04-12 | | kia0708: pity we don't have games from the 13th Karpov Poikovsky Tournament 2012.
Among the participants are:
Ponomariov
Nigel Short (UK)
Wojtaszek (Poland)
Wang Yue
Bologan
Rublevsky |
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Oct-04-12 | | Eyal: <pity we don't have games from the 13th Karpov Poikovsky Tournament 2012.> Not the right page... try 13th Karpov International (2012) |
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Oct-04-12 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <perfidious>
Thank you for your ideas.
Meanwhile, a few weeks ago Carlsen- leaving himself out of it- claimed that Anand is the strongest in the world. It's a shame that chess journalists do not always "follow up," as even to this diehard Vishy fan it seemed like a strange thing to say in September 2012. Why does Carlsen think Vishy is stronger than Kramnik or Aronian? |
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Oct-04-12 | | Eyal: <Why does Carlsen think Vishy is stronger than Kramnik or Aronian?> If he really said - and meant - that, maybe it has something to do with his own score against him; he finds Anand the toughest to beat among the three (and in general). |
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Oct-04-12 | | drik: <Eyal: so that Naka, Wang Hao & Giri could take over:-)> ...so this time the comment comes with a smiley? |
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Oct-05-12 | | Eyal: <...so this time the comment comes with a smiley?> Since I obviously think it's a ridiculous comment (like all the other comments about Gelfand that I was quoting), then yes. |
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Oct-05-12 | | Appaz: <<Eyal> <Why does Carlsen think Vishy is stronger than Kramnik or Aronian?> If he really said - and meant - that, maybe it has something to do with his own score against him; he finds Anand the toughest to beat among the three (and in general).> Yes, I believe Carlsen made this evaluation relative to himself, with match play in mind: Anand is damn hard to beat when he is motivated and in form, even when he is "hanging in the ropes". Probably one of the best match players in history relative to his own "objective" strength. |
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Oct-05-12 | | AuN1: <Appaz: <<Eyal> <Why does Carlsen think Vishy is stronger than Kramnik or Aronian?>
If he really said - and meant - that, maybe it has something to do with his own score against him; he finds Anand the toughest to beat among the three (and in general).> Yes, I believe Carlsen made this evaluation relative to himself, with match play in mind: Anand is damn hard to beat when he is motivated and in form, even when he is "hanging in the ropes". Probably one of the best match players in history relative to his own "objective" strength.> what makes anand such a great match player? he beat kramnik (who only has two career match victories) topalov (not good in matches either) and he drew against gelfand. |
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