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| Mar-12-13 | | Arcturar: Yeah, I agree with notyetagm. Unless Russia can bring their old team back, China will sweep the Olympiad. And they quite plausibly may regardless. Congrats to Ukraine though; they appear to be the 3rd strongest national team for both men and women. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | waustad: Irina Krush had a 2607 performance rating and beat several GMs in the tournament. This is probably good for a GM norm. Her peak published rating is 2495, so that is another issue she'll need to deal with to gain the title. I've read that she has one norm already but I don't see it listed on the FIDE page: http://ratings.fide.com/title_norms... |
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| Mar-12-13 | | hellopolgar: It's sad really how Russia let Ukraine get away with a draw on purpose so that China doesn't get gold. You know what they say: blood is thicker than water. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | notyetagm: <ketchuplover: dream team!!!!!!!!!!!!> Indeed. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | whiteshark: <Ukraine wins Women’s World Team Championship 2013> Congratulations!! http://www.chessdom.com/ukraine-win... |
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| Mar-12-13 | | Beholder: <hellopolgar: It's sad really how Russia let Ukraine get away with a draw on purpose so that China doesn't get gold. You know what they say: blood is thicker than water.> Oh yeah?!? A drawn (2-2) match between Russia and Ukraine is really sad, huh? What do you call a THROWN match (4-0) between China-1 and China-2 at the World Team Championship at Beersheba, Israel, 2005 then??? |
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| Mar-12-13 | | hellopolgar: You said it yourself, China-<1> and China-<2>... |
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| Mar-12-13 | | notyetagm: <Beholder: What do you call a THROWN match (4-0) between China-1 and China-2 at the World Team Championship at Beersheba, Israel, 2005 then?> I call that China-1 have a really good day. :-) |
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| Mar-12-13 | | twinlark: <waustad>
There's no GM norm for Krush from this result as the FIDE title regs require she play three GMs. Unfortunately, she only played two, Kosteniuk and Ushenina. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | hellopolgar: <twinlark> you are wrong as it clearly states in 1.7 that <One GM is equivalent to 1.5 IM or WGM or 2 WIM. One IM or FM is equivalent to one WGM or 1.5 WIM>. So yes, Irina got her norm. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | wych: It wasn't "China 2" who lost 4-0 in Israel in 2005; it was the Chinese women's team, who were rated on average more than 200 Elo points per board lower than their male compatriots. (They should not have been in the competition, but that's a different matter.) Anyway, what makes you think that they "threw" that match? Are you trying to say that there was more evidence of collusion in that match than there was in today's match between Russia & Ukraine? If so, why? |
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| Mar-12-13 | | wych: Sorry, the above message was in response to <Beholder: What do you call a THROWN match (4-0) between China-1 and China-2 at the World Team Championship at Beersheba, Israel, 2005 then???> |
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| | HeMateMe: Historically, Russia and Ukraine really haven't gotten along. Stalin's forced collectivization policy of the 1930s caused the death by starvation of more than one million ukranians. After WWII, Stalin sent tens of thousands of ukranians into the gulag, the labor camps. Because the German army occupied parts of Ukraine, many of the survivors of the war were thought to be "collaborators", because they hadn't died in trying to kick the german army out of this part of the USSR. The gulag was their punishment. The Ukranian chess players were not allowed to compete on their own, for decades. The nation got independence in the 1990s. I'm sure the younger people in the Ukraine don't have quite the hard feelings some of the older ones have, but they must have some knowledge of their recent history. I would be very surprised if the Ukranians ever collude with the Russians in chess. |
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| Mar-12-13 | | cro777: Anna Ushenina: "We have a strong team, but it should be noted that Russian and Chinese teams didn't arrive in their strongest composition. I guess in that case it would be more intriguing and much more interesting." http://astana2013.fide.com/images/s... IM Mariya Muzychuk, IM Inna Gaponenko, GM Anna Ushenina, GM Kateryna Lagno, GM Natalia Zhukova. The team's head coach is Mykhailo Brodskyi, the delegation leader is Leonid Tymoshenko. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | SleepyEye: Congrats to Irina for a good showing |
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| Mar-13-13 | | dx9293: I think Irina gets a 13-game GM norm because of her 9-round GM "performance" (i.e., 2600+ TPR but without the appropriate titles of opponents) in a World Team Championship. If she had played one more GM, she would have gotten a 20-game GM norm, which would have made her GM-elect. I really hope she does get the 13-gamer. Anyway, congratulations Irina! A brilliant performance. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | Beholder: <wych: It wasn't "China 2" who lost 4-0 in Israel in 2005; it was the Chinese women's team, who were rated on average more than 200 Elo points per board lower than their male compatriots. (They should not have been in the competition, but that's a different matter.)> Incorrect. I know the team was composed entirely of women, it's still China-1 and China-2 because the event in question did not have any kind of gender discrimination - only the open section. China was the only country to field a second team, by the way. And yes, the second team should not have been there at all. They were there, however, with the sole purpose of throwing their match to the China-1 team, which they did. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | twinlark: <hellopolgar>
I would like to be wrong about this but I don't think that is the case. Reg 1.45b states quite forthrightly that:
<For a GM norm at least 1/3 with a minimum 3 of the opponents (MO) must be GMs. For exact numbers see table in 1.7.> If you scroll down to the table in 1.7, you'll see that for a 9 round event, 3 of the opponents must be GMs. The passage you quoted does not affect this requirement. The 3 GM as-a-minimum rule is universal for a GM norm, regardless of the deemed number of games, or performance ratings achieved. If you don't believe me, see if you can find any official advice by the organisers or anyone in authority, including Krush, that she scored a GM norm. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | Kanatahodets: <cro777: Anna Ushenina: "We have a strong team, but it should be noted that Russian and Chinese teams didn't arrive in their strongest composition. I guess in that case it would be more intriguing and much more interesting."> Very happy to hear that; Russians learn to respect others. When I was a boy I rarely saw such respect-discrimination and humiliation were everywhere. Only following the way of respect and gratitude can Russia succeed. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | dx9293: <twinlark> See the parts in the handbook about "Norm" vs. "Performance." For a performance you need only observe 1.48 and 1.49. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | BUNA: <Kanatahodets: <cro777: Anna Ushenina: "We have a strong team, but it should be noted that Russian and Chinese teams didn't arrive in their strongest composition. I guess in that case it would be more intriguing and much more interesting."> Very happy to hear that; Russians learn to respect others.> Anna Ushenina is from the Ukraine. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | Kanatahodets: < BUNA: Anna Ushenina is from the Ukraine.> Oh, yes? Thank you for information: you enlightened me. You are so smart, poor, poor me... But maybe you're not so smart? :) |
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| Mar-13-13 | | hellopolgar: <twinlark> so even if you play 18 WGM and perform above 2600, you don't get a GM-norm? that sounds absurd because 18 WGM is the equivalent of 9 GM. |
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| Mar-13-13 | | nok: Really? I'll take the 18 WGM. |
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