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|Dec-07-04|| ||EnglishOpeningc4: The saying should be changed to Knight on the rim, your past was dim. If a knight goes to the rim for only one move and goes to the 4th or 5th rank the next move it cant be bad. Plus the knight controls more squares from a3 than b1. |
|Dec-07-04|| ||AgentRgent: DK, I remember seeing the line when you posted it, but I don't remember it now. But 4. Ng5 is just a bad move so I'm not sure how that's relevant to the discussion of 3. Na3's validity. |
|Dec-07-04|| ||drukenknight: >>> DK, why play 3. e3 at all? 3. Na3 wins back the pawn and gives the knight a great outpost on c4. |
if this is your argument, then I disagree. Take the dec 7 line I posted, do the N not also get great outposts and they are supporting each other, and they hit the Q.
I could probably write a book about it. But, the fact that N may be great outposts in this opening, does not really tell us how to play it. Perhaps they get great outposts no matter what?
|Dec-07-04|| ||azaris: <EnglishOpeningc4> I agree. A knight on the rim is NOT dim when it's there for a purpose (like chasing a piece) or when it can move to a better square unimpeded. |
|Dec-07-04|| ||AgentRgent: If you mean the line:
1. Nf3 d5
2. c4 dxc4
3. e3 b5
4. a4 c6
5. axb5 cxb5
6. Nc3 Bd7
7. Nd4 Qb6
Why gambit a pawn for unclear tactical compensation, when you can regain the pawn with a solid positional benefit? Maybe in blitz...
|Dec-07-04|| ||drukenknight: Here is the rest of that line from a week ago; it may be questionable but pick up w/o benefit of computer and see what you think...|
1. Nf3 d5
2. c4 dxc4
3. Na3 Be6
4. Ng5 Bd5
5. e4 h6
6. Nh7 Bxe4
7. Nxf8 Kxf8
8. Nxc4 Qd5
Knights seem to get nice outposts in lots of variations of this. Dunno what it means, I wouldnt base any conclusions or recommendations on that.
|Mar-25-05|| ||ongyj: I'm an opening enthusiast, so I shall hereby discuess my opinion on this opening.
Fact: 3.Na3 is perfectly playable. It's been play for at least a few hundred years already, with the simple reason that there is absolutely nothing Black can do to stop White regain the pawn. I mean it's part of the main line even till today, so like it or not, 3.Na3 is perfectly playable. After 3...Be6 the most likely responses from White includes 4.Qa4+, 4.e4, 4.e3 or 4.Ne5.(4.Qxc4?! Bxc4 5.Qa4+ b5)
I'm somewhat new to this opening, so I hope to be corrected of my errors and/or inaccuracies. |
|Aug-13-05|| ||positional player: Does anybody know about the line 1. Nf3 d5 2. e4? (the question mark does not mean the strength of the move)|
|Aug-13-05|| ||Koster: <positional player: Does anybody know about the line 1. Nf3 d5 2. e4? (the question mark does not mean the strength of the move)>|
Well I looked it up in my old ECO. Vol. B says 1. e4 d5 2. Nf3 see Vol. A-06. There I couldn't find it at all. It looks like a doubtful Budapest type gambit, or it could just transpose to the French or Caro-Kann.
|Aug-13-05|| ||positional player: Yes, it looks like the Budapest Gambit except black hasn't played c5|
|Aug-13-05|| ||Gypsy: <except black hasn't played c5> Which probably is a bit of an improvement of (here) Black position over Budapest. (For instance, possible O-O-O promises to be more secure.)|
|Aug-13-05|| ||Gypsy: 1.Nf3 d5 2.e4?! dxe4 3.Ng5 e5! 4.Nxe4 f5 ... would follow the precept of Alekhine and co. for Budapest. I see no reason why the same approach should not work against the 2.e4?! Reti. See F Bohatirchuk vs Ilyin-Zhenevsky, 1923
for a reference and more games.|
|Apr-22-06|| ||ganstaman: I have a question about Santasiere's Folly, 1. Nf3 d5 2. b4. First, let me say what a great opening it is. I'll play a normal Reti about half the time and this the other half. The games are always fun and still solid. White wants to fianchetto his queen's bishop and expand on the queenside at some point anyway, so playing b4 this early really just gets the job done faster. I would suggest looking at Anthony Santasiere for some playable ideas.|
Now for my question. I have always thought/heard that a good way to counter the Orangutan opening (1.b4) is 1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Qd6! That last move by black simultaneously attacks white's b-pawn and prepares ...e5, building and supporting a large center. So I began to wonder about 1. Nf3 d5 2. b4 Qd6, with the same intentions. I read somewhere online that 3. c4 looks interesting, trying to draw the black queen out of the center where she can be harassed by white's developing moves and where she can no longer support a big center.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find white's refuation of black's more greedy lines. In other words, I see black being able to grab a pawn or two with no compensation for white. I decided to run the position (1. Nf3 d5 2. b4 Qd6) by my free beta version of Rybka. For a while, it seemed that 3. Ba3 was the best move. Then, 3. c4 was, and then 3. Ba3 was again. Finally, after 17 ply and more than an hour, I stopped the analysis. Rybka declares this as the winner (well, +0.08 for white...): 3. c4 Nf6 3. e3 Qxb4 4. Nc3 c6 5. Rb1 Qa5 (also at 17 ply, with a score of -0.04, was 3. Ba3 Nf6 4. e3 a6 5. b5 Qb6 6. bxa6 Nxa6 7. Nc3 Qa5).
So, any thoughts on this gambit for white? How would you respond if black tried to grab more pawns instead of developing? I guess I could just run each line through Rybka, but I'd prefer to hear thoughts in addition to the moves. And if anyone actually has experience playing this line, that would be great too. Thanks.
|Apr-22-06|| ||stanleys: I like this opening - maybe the only one left that allows improvisation and which cannnot be understood by the programs|
|Oct-06-07|| ||7Heaven: Hello guys. I am playing a game with my cousin and the moves untill now are:
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nc6 3.g3 Bg5 4.Bg2 Nf6 5.b3 e6 6.e3 Bd6 7.Bb2 o-o 8.o-o Ne4 9.Qd3 Qf6 10.Nf-d2(i didn't want to play Qd1) Nxd2 and now i am in a dileima: it is better to play Nxd2 or Qxd2? if i take with the knight,i will have completed my development and i will keep my part of the centre.But then black will probably play ...Nb4 threatening my queen and forcing me to move the queen in a square where she will be safe AND protecting the c-pawn while losing my control of the centre (or at least a part of it). if i play Qxd2, i will prevent ... Nb4 and my queen will have better mobility.but i will have problems with the centre again and even worse,i will be back in development...So, i am asking for your help. With which piece to take back?|
|Oct-06-07|| ||7Heaven: it's 3...Bg4|
|Mar-21-08|| ||norcist: wow no discussion of 3. Bb3!?...a nimzo favorite|
|Sep-02-08|| ||ravel5184: I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I can't see any way the Bishop can get to b3 in two moves from the diagrammed position.|
|Sep-15-08|| ||norcist: grrr ok ok the move is 2.b3?!....still nimzo...still not discussed. Of course it is a bit passive, but ther is certainly nothing wrong with it.|
|Apr-12-11|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day:
1.♘f3 d5 2.b4
I think this opening should be opening of the day on Christmas.
|Apr-29-12|| ||parisattack: OOTD again, but not much interest in hypermodern parties these days.|
Santasiere's little booklet, The Futuristic Chess Opening is sort of fun, interesting. Some logic in preventing the immediate ... e5 as in the Sokolsky those lines can give White difficulty.
The Games in that tome cover quite a few transpositional possibilities - but I don't think 2. ...Qd6 is mentioned.
|Jul-10-13|| ||nescio: Out of curiosity I clicked today on the link http://amsterdamchess.com/?q=nl/live which <waustad> gave on the Anne Haast page.
To my surprise I saw in the game Lanchava-Peng the move sequence 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 c5 3.Bb2 Nf6. I have always understood that 3.Bb2 was considered inaccurate because of 3...f6! with a slight advantage for Black. (Petrosian vs Fischer, 1971). As I cannot imagine that such experienced players are unaware of such a famous game they must disagree with that opinion. Does anyone know if the verdict about the position after 3...f6 has changed?|
|Jul-10-13|| ||perfidious: <nescio> Not to my knowledge.|
|Jul-10-13|| ||perfidious: <ganstaman......Now for my question. I have always thought/heard that a good way to counter the Orangutan opening (1.b4) is 1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Qd6! That last move by black simultaneously attacks white's b-pawn and prepares ...e5, building and supporting a large center....>|
First saw this idea in the praxis of the New Hampshire master Gary A Nute in the 1980s and was prepared to have a go at it, should the opportunity have arisen.
< So I began to wonder about 1. Nf3 d5 2. b4 Qd6, with the same intentions. I read somewhere online that 3. c4 looks interesting....>
In 1988 at Somerset, New Jersey, I reached this position via 1.b4 d5 2.Nf3 Qd6: while I do not recall exactly what my opponent's response was, he did not offer the pawn sacrifice.
|Oct-04-13|| ||Kikoman: <Opening of the Day>|
1. Nf3 d5 2. b4
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