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| Feb-21-03 | | drunknight II: look at the position after blacks 37th? Has he lost the game right here? Make no mistake, Fischer outplayed Sam in the middle game and the last few moves before the time control were played undertime pressure. Sam's exchange sacrifice an interesting attempt to confuse bobby right before time control. |
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| Jun-09-04 | | Swindler: This game gets good analysis by Dvoretsky at www.chesscafe.com this month. They missed a nice mate by 49.... ♔e4 50.b8=♕ ♖a2+ 51. ♔e1 f1=♕(or ♖)#, but White didn't have a perpetual check so it'a a win for Black. |
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| Jun-09-04 | | jrsoohoo: this wasnt a time loss Fischer is very strong |
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| Jun-10-04 | | drukenknight: Swindler: This game continus to raise difficult questions. I looked Dvo's analysis, but he treats the game as done after move 40 (I think) and has nothing to comment on the endgame. I dont claim to be a strong player, but if Fischer missed mate in 4 on move 49, then shouldnt one look to see if a draw was possible? I mean, to me that is very basic, when someone misses a win, usually very strange things follow. WHy does Dvo. not even attempt this? He makes no comment on blacks ability to prolong the game. Can black simply keep checking? That is my issue today. Look at: 54. Qc8+ Kb5
55. Qd7+ Kxa6
56. Qxe6+ Ka5
57. Qf5+ Ka4
58. Qd7+ Ka3
59. Qe7+ Ka2
60. Qf7+ Kb2
61. Qb7+ Kc1
62. Qc8+ Kb1
63. Qf5+ Ka2
64. Qc2+ Ka3
65. Qd3+ Kb2
66. Qb5+ Ka3
67. Qa6+ Kb3
Admittedly this is from the crappy chesslab computer, but instincts tell me this sort of plan has to be taken very seriously in light of Fischer's error on move 49. |
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| Jun-10-04 | | acirce: <drukenknight> The checks will end pretty quickly. After 54. Qc8+ I prefer to interfere with my lady: 54...Qc5. Then 55. Qxe6+ Qd5 and now either a) 56. Qg4+ Kb5 with no more checks, or b) 56. Qc8+ Kd4 whereafter I counter-check with Qe4 or Qe5 depending on where you check in next move, thereby forcing queen exchange and easy win. |
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| Jun-10-04 | | jrsoohoo: Fischer caught 50. ... K-K5! ... 58. Q-N5+, K-B3 59. Q-N2+ P-K4 runs of of checks |
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| Jun-10-04 | | jrsoohoo: geez Dvoretsky just took that out of My 60 Memorable Games |
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| Jun-07-05 | | RookFile: Kasparov's book on Fischer
(My Great Predecessors) has some
great analysis on this game, which
will clear up any questions. Awful
lot of deep stuff going on. |
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| Aug-31-05 | | Sergey Sorokhtin: MGP include some mistakes too
... 36.Rf2? Nxf2 37.Kxf2 Re5! 38.b4 Re3! 39.a6 Ra3 40.Rc6–+ g5 41.hxg5+ hxg5 42.b5 g4 43.Rc8? [43.Rc1 g3+ ( 43...Ra2+!–+ Sergey Sorokhtin 44.Kg1 f3!! 45.b6 Rxa6 46.Rb1 Ra8 47.b7 Rb8 48.Kf2 Kf5 49.Kg3 e5 50.Rb5 (50.Rb4 e4 51.Rb5+ Ke6 zugzvang! 52.Rb4 Ke5 53.Rb3 Kd5 54.Kf2 Kc6  ) 50...Ke4 51.Rb3 (take pawn is TABU! 51.Kxg4 f2–+) 51...Kd4 52.Rb4+ (52.Kf2 e4 53.Rb4+ Kd5 54.Ke3 g3–+) 52...Ke3 53.Rb3+ Kd2 54.Rb4 Kd3 55.Rb3+ (55.Kf2 e4–+) 55...Kc4 56.Rb6 e4–+ Key position ! 57.Kf2 Kc5 58.Rb1 Kc6 59.Re1 Rxb7 60.Rxe4 Rb2+–+ ) 44.Kg1 Ra2! 45.Rb1 ( ? - G.K.) ( better is 45.b6! Rxa6 46.Rb1 Ra8 47.b7 Rb8 48.Kg2 e5 49.Kf3 Ke6 –+ Mark Dvoretzky , but after 50.Rb6+ Kd5 51.Rb5+ Kd6 52.Rb6+ Kc7 53.Rb5 Rxb7 54.Rxe5= Kasparov) 45...f3 46.b6 Rg2+ 47.Kf1 Rh2! 48.Ke1 Rh1+ 49.Kd2 Rxb1 50.a7 f2 51.a8Q f1Q–+ Fischer] 43...Kf5 44.b6 g3+ 45.Ke1 Ra1+ 46.Ke2 g2 47.Rf8+ Ke4 48.Rxf4+ Kxf4 49.b7 g1Q 50.b8Q+ Kf5 51.Qf8+ Ke4 52.Qa8+ Kd4 53.Qd8+ Kc4 54.Qd3+ Kc5 55.Qc3+ Kd6 56.Qd2+ Ke5 57.Qb2+ Kf5 0–1
http://www.chesschamps.com/forum/vi...
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| Aug-31-05 | | RookFile: I'll have to check out your analysis,
you always seem to have interesting insights. |
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| Nov-05-05 | | joelsontang: instead of 42. Rc8, could Rc2 have at least have given white a draw? if not a win? the plan to bolster the pawns from behind, and to shield the king from check. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | babakova: This game is incredibly difficult..I have encountered it before but today I decided to look more deeply into it , first guessing each move, then analyzing my guesses and possible improvements and the actual text moves. Then I compared my analysis to Kasparovs in OMGP IV to see where I went wrong...All in all many twists and turns with many hidden resources that remain unplayed (as with all chessgames that is)... good game. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RookFile: <Joelsontang> Kasparov does analyze 42. Rc2 in OMGP 4. |
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| Oct-20-06 | | ismet: I think Reshevsky's blunder game one too. I like child Reshevsky more. if you look at his eyes in child time you can see shinning eyes but here especially against Fischer I see nothing. I am looking position move 29 We think Black must be resign. But what Reshevsky did, he follows b6 pawn with Rock like beginning player. Reshevsky had given this game to Fischer. |
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| Oct-20-06 | | RookFile: Well, you've got to give Reshevsky this. His best years were behind him, but the old warrior showed up and played hard in 1961, and fought Bobby Fischer to 5.5 - 5.5 in 11 games, and was even declared the match winner by forfeit. The more you think about it, the more of an impressive result on Reshevsky's part this was. |
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| May-07-09 | | Eyal: Kasparov in OMGP 4 mainly quotes from Dvoretsky's analysis (http://www.chesscafe.com/text/dvore...). Dvoretsky reveals some serious flaws in Fischer's notes from MSMG, mainly with regard to his apparent conviction that Black has enough counterplay to hold the draw after the loss of the exchange. Here are two important points where Fischer misses best play by White: After 32...Rd8
click for larger viewHere Fischer claims that Reshevsky's 33.Rc2 was the only way to preserve winning chances, giving the line 33.Rxb6 Rd2+ 34.Kg1 g5 35.Rcc6 gxh4 36.Rxe6+ Kg5 37.Rg6+ Kh5 38.Rxh6+(??) Kg4 "and Black has enough play on the K-side to hold the draw". But White is under no obligation to help Black by grabbing another pawn with Rxh6+; with the black king cut off from the g-file, 38.b4 or 38.a5 instead should win. After 35...f4:
click for larger viewHere Fischer claims that Reshevsky should have settled for the draw with 36.a6 f3+ 37.Kf1 Rd3 38.Ke1 Re3+ 39.Kf1 Rd3 etc. He misses the excellent resource <36.Rb4!!>, with which White targets the black knight, preparing to exchange it at the right moment for his rook. Dvoretsky's main line goes 36...f3+ 37.Kf1 Kf5 (37...f2 38.Rxf2+ Nxf2 39.Kxf2 is also hopeless for Black) 38.a6 Rd3 39.Rc1 Rd2 40.Rxe4(!) Kxe4 41.a7 Rd8 42.b4 Ra8 43.Rc7! (on 43.Ra1?, Black's king gets to the queenside) 43...Rd8 44.b5 and White wins. |
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| Jun-14-10 | | elohah: Note after move 21... p. 170, 60MG:
'After the game we analyzed 21...Qd5 22 Qxf4 Qxb5 23 Nxe6 Qxb2 24 Qh6! (Reshevsky) with an irrestible attack. On 24...Na5 25 Bxf5 ' ... Hold the phone! Is that a CELLO I hear playing, just beating in my ears, as I kick thru some suprisingly accurate off-hand post-mortem analysis with Reshevsky that I'll later repeat almost verbatim in 60MG? You know, I am SO tired of these @##$@#$ DISTRACTIONS!! Can you hear that, Sammy?? Huh?? I hear it myself, Bobby. Is it the reason you guys missed 25 h5! here, which looks fairly devastating: Let's see...
(over to Skij: back in two and two!) |
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| Jun-14-10 | | elohah: There's certainly no threat to White's bishop!
After... 25...gh 26 Qg5+ Kh8 27 Rb1 Qc3, I can't tell if 28 Re3! is decisive enuf - after, say, 28...Rg8 29 Rxc3 Rxg5 30 Rxc8+ Bxc8 31 Nxg5 -
perhaps even 29 Qxf5 Rxg2+ 30 Kf1 Qc4+ 31 Bd3!
After 25...gh 26 Qg5+ Kf7 27 Qxf5+ Ke7 ( 27...Qf6? 28 Qxh7+! mates next), there's a number of discoveries, a couple of them connecting up with d7, but barring some clever mate I may be missing, it looks as if 28 Nc7+ Be4 (28...Kd8? 29 Rxe8+ Kxc7 30 Qf4+! DOES force mate.)
29 Rxe4+ Kd6 30 Nxe8+ Rxe8 31 Rd1+ Kc7 32 Rxe8 is sufficient enuf. |
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| Jun-14-10 | | elohah: What else after 25 h5!, kids?
Not much. You may as well try something like 25...Be4: After 26 hg hg 27 Qxg6+ Kh8 28 Rb1!
Qe5 (only square; 28...Qc3? 29 Re3! wins.) And here, let's try and catch the g5-square for a final wipe: 29 Qh6+ Kg8 30 Qg5+! Kf7 31 Rxe4! |
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| Jun-14-10 | | elohah: And you know, I think it is appropriate to cancel a Chess match when the organizer cancels a scheduled game due to wanting to run off and play the cello. For Chess is on a higher artistic plane than cello playing! |
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| Jun-14-10 | | Petrosianic: Er, this actually is not the last game of the match. |
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| Jun-15-10 | | elohah: Missing the move 25...Qf6! this time, a move that's literally right under my NOSE, altho 26 Bxf5! temporarily put a smile back on my face.
It was removed after 26...Rxc1 27 Rxc1 Rxe6! 28 Bxe6+ Qxe6, but suprisingly this time, I DID manage to flop out, because White's position is still dominating: 29 Qd2!!
Oh, sorry. Did I blurt out the answer again? I forgot to ask first:
White to move: Find the ONLY move that (A) takes command of BOTH central files, and (B) enforces the move h6! As it happens, Black has only ONE move in reply that stops h6! : 29...Qe4!
But White just plays
30 f3! and now Black has only TWO moves that avoid immediate death! Point is if you don't stop Rc7!, Black will die, so there's only ...Qe5 or ...Qe7, and the both of these will allow h6! (plus for White!). But let's rip 30...Qe5 a new a., just to see some higher maximal play: 30...Qe5?!
31 Qd8+ Kg7
32 Rc7+ Kh6
33 Qf8+ Kg5
Not 33...Kxh5? 34 Rxh7+ Kg5
35 f4+! Qxf4 36 Qh6+, when Black won't even get a rook for the queen. 34 Qd8+ Kh6
Not 34...Qf6? 35 f4+! Kf5 36 g4+!
Ke6 37 Qxf6+! Kxf6 38 g5+! Kf5
39 h6! WINS.
35 hg! |
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| Jun-15-10 | | elohah: Black's main problem now is that he can't even recapture the g-pawn!: 35...Kxg6?
36 Qg8+ 1-0
35...hg?
36 Qh4+ 1-0
That leaves only the try for a perpetual:
35...Qa1+
36 Kf2! Qb2+
37 Kg3 Qe5+
38 f4! Qe3+
Not 38...Qe1+? 39 Kh2!, and the checks are done.
39 Kg4 Qe2+!
40 Kf5 Qe4+!
And Black DOES perpetual!
So just play 31 h6! (instead of 31 Qd8+?) after all, which leaves White with the advantage. |
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| Jun-15-10 | | elohah: After 30 Qd2!!, any other move to prevent 31 h6!, since 31...gh? dies fairly immediately to 32 Qg5+! Any kind of knight activity loses:
30...Nb3?
31 Qd8+ Kg7
32 Rc7+ Kh6
33 Qf8+ Kg5
and here 34 hg! is best. Black cannot save his bishop anyway (gh!),
and if 34...Qe1+ 35 Kh2 Qe5+? 36 f4+! wins. |
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| Jun-15-10 | | elohah: Anything else after 30 Qd2!! (I am really proud of that move, as you can tell.) Well, 30...Qd5 DOES force the queens off, but again, does NOT stop h6! Let's see...
30...Qd5
31 Qxd5 Bxd5
32 h6!
Once this move is in, I am contending that White has what winning chances there are in this position, Can Black hold the rook out? Not without forfeiting activity, and taking up a defensive posture: 32... Nc6
33 Rd1 Bf7
34 Rd6 Be8
35 Rf6!
Followed by bringing the King in.
Or:
32... Nc6
33 Rd1 Ne7!
34 f4!
Vital. 34...g5 was threatened (...g5 earlier on move 32 died to 33 Rc7!, of course.) 34 ... Kf7
35 Kf2 Be6
36 Rd8!
Hi! Anyone want to dump a knight?
Like after 36...Nf5 37 Rh8! Nxh6?
38 Rxh7+!
Black probably needs to be active - try to go after the a3 pawn, for ex., but then of course White's rook becomes active, going after both of Black's rook's pawns. I believe White has the better chances. |
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