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Jul-22-22
 | | fredthebear: I'm guessing the hockey match was a tune-up for the Olympics? American swimmer Mark Spitz was the most decorated athlete in the '72 Summer Olympics. Your Fischer-Spassky book link was written by C.H. O'D. Alexander, very recognizable. All sorts of authors put out a book on the '72 match -- the NY Times, Gligoric, Golumbek, Euwe, Purdy, Reshevsky, etc. I read the Larry Evans version because it had all the diagrams. I probably have a half-dozen of the others on a bookshelf that I haven't looked at since BF passed. Well, it was probably just dumb luck that I got the Evans book second as I recall. The first book I got on the match seemed a bit complicated, but I can't remember for sure who wrote it at this late hour. It'll probably pop into my head next week. I was hoping they'd play the King's Gambit all the time back then. I thought Fischer was going hog wild playing those "different" opening surprises like Alekhine's Defense. |
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Jul-22-22 | | stone free or die: OK, <joylessstick>, let's agree I'm not your daddy - which is pretty obvious even without the paternity test. The fact of the matter is you endlessly wag on and on about how other posters aren't posting chess, and how egregious it is for <CG>. Then you turn around and do the same, often by hiding the crap in a chess post, but in this case just out on its own: Robert James Fischer (kibitz #59177) I think you posted your external link merely because the title mentioned bear. Regardless, it's the hypocrisy and double standard I'm calling attention to. |
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Jul-22-22 | | Cassandro: <HeMateMe: Still the greatest chess book cover ever.> It is also a great book. Alexander wrote some of the book even before the match began, and it perfectly captures the Cold War atmosphere surrounding it. |
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Jul-22-22
 | | Dionysius1: <HeMateMe> <Still the greatest chess book cover. Ever.> The one with the map, or the one with both players' photographs? I had the latter, and I loved that book. All the pictures, and the slightly landscape format. It felt very special. |
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Jul-23-22
 | | HeMateMe: the photos in the Alexander book were terrific. His notes weren't deep, perhaps just superficial. Certainly a more gifted player like Petrosian, Karpov or (gasp!) Fischer himself could have done better analytical work. But, that's ok. the book was written at the level of the club player and it works just fine like that. thank you all for your comments. I looked around for other books on the match but used copies just weren't floating around. |
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Jul-31-22
 | | diceman: <fredthebear:
but we craved game reports. We had ABC, CBS, NBC and Public TV> It was on Public TV in the NY area. |
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Aug-27-22 | | FM David H. Levin: <diceman: <fredthebear: but we craved game reports. We had ABC, CBS, NBC and Public TV>
It was on Public TV in the NY area.>
I recall that WNET covered in real time the entire first playing session of each game, which could last up to five hours (!). The host was Shelby Lyman, and among his guests were Robert Byrne, Eugene Meyer, Bruce Pandolfini, and I think James Sherwin. Lyman used two demonstration boards: one for the actual position and one for analysis. I believe that the resumption of play after adjournments was also covered live, although I'm hazier about this. Although I hadn't been playing seriously for long, I found this coverage a treat! |
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Sep-02-22
 | | Knightf7mate: Happy 50th Anniversary. Wish you were here. |
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Oct-07-22 | | Helios727: Was Fischer ever an IM before he became a GM? Or did he go directly from untitled to GM? |
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Oct-07-22 | | ndg2: ^Yes, Bobby was an IM before becoming a GM. The US Championship 1957/58 served also as the US Zonal Tournament for the 1960 WCC cycle. Winning this (the Zonal) FIDE awarded Bobby the IM title. |
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Oct-08-22 | | Helios727: <ndg2> If it had been a different year when it was not a Zonal Tournament, would the IM title have been awarded? |
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Oct-23-22
 | | thegoodanarchist: <fredthebear: ...Your Fischer-Spassky book link was written by C.H. O'D. Alexander, very recognizable.> Choda also wrote the third volume in Alekhine's greatest games series. AA wrote the first two volumes, but was (ahem) "unavailable" to write the 3rd one. Not trying to disparage Choda, but he just didn't have the way with words that AA had: Alekhine vs H Weenink, 1931 I'd offer another quote, but the comments pages have been purged from the AA-Weenink game. So I will paraphrase: (after 22.g4, IIRC) <By this advance, the White pawn threatens to set afire the Black King's house, and cannot possibly be stopped from that dark design.> |
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Oct-24-22
 | | thegoodanarchist: Oh, serendipity!
User: micartouse posted the exact quote: Alekhine vs H Weenink, 1931 So maybe the comments were not purged. Maybe just no one cares about poor Weenink. |
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Nov-05-22 | | stone free or die: What <fred> is doing here with such a post is nothing but pure harassment. Shameful, petty, and pathetic.
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Nov-05-22
 | | harrylime: <<stone free or die: What <fred> is doing here with such a post is nothing but pure harassment.
Shameful, petty, and pathetic.>> You are a fookin numptie..
I'd love to meet you. |
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Nov-05-22 | | stone free or die: Over at Goldsby's forum there's another discussion (however brief) about <Fischer's 61>. It's a good excuse to come here and link to Edward Winter's take on the matter: https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... As to the legitimacy of the edition, I'll just quote these two quotes from Winter: <Via Frederic Friedel (Hamburg, Germany) we learn that Garðar Sverrisson, who may be regarded as Fischer’s closest confidant in Iceland, states that Fischer would never have considered bringing out a book such as My 61 Memorable Games without consulting him. Mr Sverrisson writes:<‘When I told Bobby about the forgery in early December 2007 he just became sad and disappointed, exactly as he used to react when he learned about slander or a similar betrayal. At that time his health was deteriorating, and we had other things to worry about than who might be behind this book.When we discussed the possibility of having My 60 Memorable Games republished he was very much against using any improvements of his own or others (including computers). And changing the notation from the descriptive to the algebraic was out of the question. We never saw My 61 Memorable Games, and I still have not seen it.’> > and,
<At our request, Aðalsteinn Thorarensen (Reykjavik) has kindly provided an English translation of a paragraph about My 61 Memorable Games on pages 168-169 of the new book mentioned in C.N. 9568, <Yfir farinn veg með> Bobby Fischer by Garðar Sverrisson (Reykjavik, 2015):‘Some time after he came home [from hospital] we became aware of a new book in circulation, My 61 Memorable Games, which was claimed to be by Bobby. The book supposedly contained the 60 games that he had selected and annotated in his book My 60 Memorable Games with the addition of one game from his match against Spassky in 1992. Every time he had discussed the possibility of re-issuing this book [My 60 Memorable Games] he had been opposed to my idea of publishing it with revised annotations by himself and others, which I was convinced would make the book even more valuable. To Bobby, it was more important that the original sources should be preserved in their original form. To meddle with the text of an already published book was so ridiculous to him that I doubt whether he would have agreed to correct even obvious spelling mistakes, if found. My 60 Memorable Games was no less dear to him than many of his victories in chess. He was therefore very sad when I brought him the news of that counterfeit publication, which, we discovered later, had been illustrated with the Icelandic flag and photographs taken for private use by Icelanders with whom he was no longer associated.’ (9600)
C.N. 11654 reported that an English translation of Sverrisson’s book had been published: Bobby Fischer The Final Years (Reykjavik, 2019).> n.b. [Last update 2022-10-22]
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... * * * * *
This was why I originally stopped by here today. |
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Nov-05-22
 | | perfidious: Yet, in the face of incontrovertible proof, <joshie> marches to his own tune, much in the style of Ed Trice. |
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Dec-22-22 | | pazzed paun: Anybody have the source of the Soviet trainer who called Fischer playing style schizophrenic?
Classical opening with white
Reckless win at all costs with black |
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Dec-22-22
 | | keypusher: <pazzed pawn>
Alexander Shashin. See below for a 2015 post by me. But the link I had doesn’t work any more. << keypusher: <thegoodanarchist> You have to allow me a little hyperbole. But see below from a 2008 chess cafe interview with Alexander Shashin -- the link doesn't seem to work anymore, though.
<<MS: What do you think of Fischer?><AS: Fischer is a man with an acute form of pathology. He is a talent of Tal's and Kasparov's caliber, but maybe with less calculation ability. [Not saying I agree with this.] The unusual thing about him is that he divided himself into "White Fischer" and "Black Fischer." With the white pieces, Bobby pretended to be the greatest classic player, playing dry and precise chess, often draining his opponents in 60-move endgames. The Black Fischer, because of a pathological greed for points in the tournament table, strove for ultra sharp play in Korchnoi's manner. But his brain rebelled against such a heavy undertaking. It impaired Fischer's nervous system. This explains his fear to play in tournaments, too. >> > |
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Dec-27-22
 | | FSR: <keypusher> Interesting viewpoint. Fischer strove to win with both colors, rejecting the traditional "win with White, draw with Black" paradigm. He wanted to dominate the chess world and win every event by a huge margin. He won every U.S. championship, and by at least a point. He stopped playing in them because he thought there weren't enough rounds, thereby increasing the chance that someday he might only tie for first or even, heaven forbid, finish second. (Note, btw, that the USSR Championship was so amazingly strong that even the great Kasparov never succeeded in winning it outright.) I think Fischer quit chess because he couldn't bear the thought that he would someday become just another super-GM who didn't win every tournament and match by a monster score, and even failed to win some of them. "Primus inter pares" was not good enough for him. |
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Jan-05-23 | | todicav23: I asked ChatGPT the following question:
Who beat Fischer in 1966?
The answer was:
Boris Spassky beat Robert James Fischer in the 1966 World Chess Championship. The match was held in Moscow, and Spassky won the match by a score of 12.5 to 8.5. This was one of the most significant and memorable matches in the history of chess, and it helped to establish Spassky as one of the strongest players in the world at the time. Fischer, who was considered a rising star in the world of chess, was seen as the challenger in the match, and his defeat to Spassky was a major disappointment for many chess fans. |
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Jan-05-23
 | | keypusher: <FSR> That makes sense to me -- I guess I would try to reconcile you and Shashin by saying that Fischer was so dominant, particularly toward the end, that he could play fairly restrainedly with White and still win. The contrast between Fischer with White and Black in the Taimanov match is probably the sort of thing Shashin had in mind. <todicav23: I asked ChatGPT the following question:> See also Stockfish (Computer) (kibitz #350) for other examples of utterly wrong, confidently delivered ChatGPT answers. A chatty BS-er, just what the world needs. |
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Jan-05-23 | | todicav23: <keypusher> Thanks! When you ask it to show you chess games, it often gives you games with invalid moves. I tried the following question: Can a king and two knights checkmate a king and a pawn? The answer is hilarious because it gives you a non-sense example without providing the initial position: Yes, it is possible for a king and two knights to checkmate a king and a pawn. This can be achieved by using a combination of pins, forks, and discovered attacks to control the pawn and attack the enemy king. Here is an example of how a king and two knights can checkmate a king and a pawn: Kb1 Nc3+
Ka1 Nb5
Kb1 Nd4
Kc1 Ne2+
Kb1 Nc3
Kc1 Ne2+
Kb1 Nc3
Kc1 Nd1
Kd2 Nf2+
Ke3 Ne4
Kf4 Nc3+
Kg5 Ne2
Kf4 Ng1
Ke3 Nf3+
Kd2 Ne1+
Kc1 Nd3
Kb1 Nc5
Kc2 Ne4
Kd2 Nd6
Ke3 Nc4+
Kf4 Nd6
Ke3 Nc4+
Kf4 Nb6
Kg5 Nc8
Kf4 Ne7
Kg5 Nf5
Kf4 Nh4
Ke3 Nf5
Kd2 Ng3+
Ke3 Ne4
Kf4 Nf6
Ke3 Ng4
Kf4 Ne5
Ke3 Ng4
Kf4 Ne5
Kg5 Nd3
Kf4 Nb2
Ke3 Nd3
Kd2 Nb2
Kc1 Nd1
Kb1 Nf2
Ka1 Ne4
Kb1 Nd6
Kc2 Nf5
Kb1 Ng3+
Ka1 Ne4
Kb1 Nd2
Kc2 Nf3+
Kd1 Ne1+
Ke2 Nd3
Kf2 Nf4+
Ke2 Ne6
Kf2 Nc5
Ke2 Na4
Kf2 Nc5
Ke2 Na4
Kf |
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Jan-05-23 | | HumSundwuch: In an alternate universe Bobby Fischer never died and was arrested in the Idaho Murders case. |
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Jan-06-23
 | | HeMateMe: On CNN this morning a retired FBI crime profiler was saying "The Idaho killer is highly intelligent and has a huge ego, craves attention." Hmm...and just where were Nigel Short and Gary Kasparov the night this all took place? Jes sayin... |
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