| Jan-07-03 | | ughaibu: Another example of Lasker's resourcefulness. After an apparent lapse in the opening Lasker is the one who misses a win. |
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| Jan-09-03 | | Kenneth Sterling: I see another Centre Counter is being discussed. These are my favourite two twentieth century players. They did not meet as often as one might expect given the long overlap of their careers. If I am not mistaken, Alekhine was able to get the better of Lasker only the one time very late in Lasker's career. |
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| Jan-09-03 | | ughaibu: Correct, Zurich 1934. |
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| Jan-09-03 | | Kenneth Sterling: For many years Alekhine genuinely admired Lasker. They shared a mutual distaste for Capablanca who was the greatest threat each would ever confront (and, at times, avoid). |
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| Mar-11-04 | | ughaibu: Another one for the draw collection. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | Calli: <ughaibu> I don't see the win |
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| Mar-11-04 | | ughaibu: I believe there's meant to be a win at move 17, perhaps Qa3? |
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| Mar-11-04 | | Calli: On 17.Qa3, Black has 17...Rd3. Better is 17.Qa6+ Kb8 18.Qe2 and if 18...Rd3 19.Rd1 is good for white. Black can play 18...Ng6 instead and the threats of Nh4+, Qh3 and Bxc5 should be good enough. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | ughaibu: Maybe it was Qa3 on move 18? The analysis was in the Reinfeld-Fine book unfortunately I never really looked at it, only read it so to speak. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | Calli: Think I have it somewhere. Will have to look it up. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | drukenknight: perhaps 19 Rxd8 but it still has a ways to go. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | ughaibu: Calli: I think it was Reinfeld's Development of a Chess Genius not the Lasker book, it might be in Hannak as well but I dont really remember. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | Calli: Ugh - Yes it is in Reinfeld's Alekhine book. Unfortunately, he gives no analysis at all. "The right move was 18.Qa3 leaving Black with a hopeless game." -Reinfeld If you say so, Fred.
So, is 18.Qa3 Ke8 "hopeless"? |
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| Mar-12-04 | | Lawrence: Sorry, Fred, your 18.Qa3 only merits a +0.45 whereas Lasker's 18.Rd1+ maintains the +1.23 he obtained when Alekhine played 15...Qe6. (Better would have been 15...Kb8, +0.65.) Lasker maintained this +1.23 advantage through moves 16, 17, and 18 but threw it away when he played 19.Qxd8. With 19.Rxd8 he would have kept it. (drukenknight, enhorabuena) 19.Qxd8 puts the eval at 0.00 and it stays there for the rest of the game. (Junior 8) |
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| Jan-18-05 | | Grandpatzer: What interested me in this game was two chess greats going at it with a Scandinavian Defence. I had hoped it would be the Lasker Variation (1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.h3), because I'd like to document how this variation came into being, and how it could be named after Lasker if he, in fact, didn't use it (at least not within the database here). Can anyone shed some light on this paradox? |
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Dec-13-17
 | | Sally Simpson: Had cause to look at this game a few days ago.
See Fred Reinfeld has been computer corrected by Junior 8 back in May 2004. Here (Lasker to play.)
click for larger viewI think it makes no difference if White plays 18.Qa3 or 18.Rd1+ I cannot see the plus Junior has after 18.Rd1+ Ke7 19 Rxd8.Qxf3+ and 20....Qxe4 Maybe some super-duper machine 17 years later can enlighten me or at least say Fred's 18.Qa3 though not as strong as he thought is just as good as 18.Rd1+ (see how Junior 8 feels about being computer corrected.) You do not need a computer to see why Lasker played 18.Rd1+ 
click for larger viewBecause he saw both 18.Rd1+ and 18.Qa3 kind of thin out to nothing and at least 18.Rd1+ has the trap 18....Bd6 when 19.Qa3 wins. Basically given the choice Lasker went for a safe, no harm done trap as was his 'coffee house style - Fischer.' a mode he could switch in and out of with ease. He was the greatest all round chess player of them all. He did not deliberately play bad moves as Reti suggests.. But he did sometimes deliberately not play the best move to unsettle or trick an opponent into going astray. We get a further peek into the mind of Lasker rolling another loaded dice across the board when he played 19. Qxd8. the move Junior thought tossed away the win. 
click for larger viewHe's tempting Alekhine to play 19...Be7 a move Alekhine plays on move 20 when he would have got hit with a two piece sac sac and mate. 19....Be7 20. Ng5+ Bxg5 21.Rd6+ and mate next move.
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Jan-13-21
 | | Honza Cervenka: 16.Bf4! was a chance that Lasker missed un this game. If 16...Kb7, then 17.Bxe5 Qxe5 18.Rfe1 Qh5 19.Rac1 with decisive attack. |
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| Dec-31-24 | | chvsanchez: According to Stockfish 17, only 14...Nxc5 would keep the balance. |
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Feb-21-25
 | | plang: 6 Nc3?! was new; 6 c5 and 6 Be2 are the most popular moves. Tarrasch thought that 7..N6d7 would have been even better. 9..Nc5 would have maintained an edge for Black. Once White had castled he was better but he did not take advantage of the opportunity. |
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Feb-21-25
 | | keypusher: <Sally> According to SF 17, at 43 ply, 18.Qa3 is +0.63 and 18.Rd1+ is 0.00. So Fred Reinfeld was closer to the truth than Junior 8. As you can guess from the evaluation, there's no straightforward winning line after 18.Qa3, but it does keep the game going (after all, White has an extra passed pawn) while things fizzle out pretty quickly after 18.Rd1+. SF agrees with you that 19.Rxd8 Qxf3+ and ...Qxe4 is headed for a quick draw. Lasker didn't miss anything on move 19. Nice trap you pointed out. |
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