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| Jun-27-04 | | Dimitar Panayotov: For me 10.d4 is superior then 10.Be6 - too many moves with the same bishop.It also opens the f-file for black rooks.I think 12.cxd4 is correct because 12.Nxd4 Nxd4 13.cxd4 c5,14.dxc5 dxc5 leads to similar position after 10.d4 with a tempo gain for black:10.d4 Bxb3 11.Qxb3 exd4 12.Nxd4 Nxd4 13.cxd4 c5 14 dxc5 dxc5 Here after 16.Na2 Rxa2? 17 Qd5 forks |
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Jun-27-04
 | | ray keene: does anyone know why this game was agreed a draw?? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | square dance: perhaps the outcome did not affect keres in the standing. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | Legend: Keres shared 1-2 place with Alekhine in that tournament. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | square dance: <legend> well, there goes my theory! |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Salzburg 1942 was unfortunately a stronger tournament. |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: i still dont comprehend why keres shd agree a draw-it looks to me like alekhine is in a desperate position-only if keres flag was literally trembling cd time trouble be an explanation-all sources give qxb2 as blacks last move but then e6 looks awfully strong-is it possible that qxp was written down -a bit unlikely since the players probably used algebraic-but anyway qxp is ambiguous since qxe5 is also possible after which a player in terrible clock trouble might just agree a draw as white -even with few moves to make. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: Maybe Alekhine needed the money, even chess players can be compassionate. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Maybe just a friendly gesture to a fellow Nazi collaborator. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: You must be @#$%ing joking, Keres risked his life as an Estonian nationalist. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Don't know. The Nazis took help from a lot of Baltic "nationalists" during Soviet "occupation". Did Keres take part in actual resistance against the Nazis, or did he just help them by playing in their tournaments on occupied territories? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: He aided active resistance members, that's general resistance Nazi or Soviet makes no odds. Hopefully history will record Bush as the living @#$%, do you think anyone who plays in the US will be denounced as a Bush collaborator? What about the present participants in Libya? Are they anti-semitic pro-terrorists? Personally I'd like to see all politicians living on Venus, does that mean I should never play in a tournament? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: I doubt that you could play in an Israeli tournament in a settlement on the West Bank and with clear conscience claim that you support the Palestinians. Thank you for the information anyhow. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: I dont support any political ideologies, I'd prefer to put all politicians in a bag and throw them in the river, chess or any other game has nothing to do with those idiots and all my respect to Keres for playing regardless. |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: hold on guys-keres and alekhine weren't politicians-i am looking for a chess reason for the draw-extreme time trouble-the fascinating possibility that all sources are wrong and that blacks final move was qxe5 not qxb2-what does crafty have to say about the position after either black final move?? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: Maybe he felt that e6 Nf4 was annoying. Ok, Qa2 takes care of everything, but still. Just thinking out loud. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: It's nothing to do with them being politicians, quite the opposite, I suggested Keres was human. |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: alekhine wasnt short of money then-eyewitness accounts tell that he arrived in spain in 1943 flush with reichsmarks-it must have been some chess reason and of course nf4 qa2 looks fine-could it be alekhine had actually played qxe5 to get rid of the terrible passed pawn and we have had the wrong score for all these years?? time scramble-clock hanging-suddenly your main asset disappears-ie the pe5-that might explain a draw. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: The venue is given as Salzburg, what's Spain got to do with it? |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: i believe that after his tournaments in nazi controlled areas of europe alekhine travelled to spain where he stayed until he moved to portugal where he died. because he arrived in spain soon after the german/ austrian and czech events in which he participated and seemed to have plenty of money when he arrived- i deduced that the draw was not agreed out of compassionate grounds-which might have been the case a few years later when alekhine was reduced to penury.so i am looking for a pure chess reason-such as terrible time trouble or the interesting possibility that blacks final move might have been qxe5 not qxb2. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | acirce: The game is not mentioned (surprise!) in Alekhine's own collections what I can see, his two wins against Keres in the same tournament a year earlier are, though. |
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| Jun-27-04 | | ughaibu: I beg your pardon? If he left Nazi controlled Europe, including Salzburg, then arrived with funds in Spain why would you think Keres didnt aid him in financing such a project? |
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| Jun-27-04 | | crafty: 38...♕xe5 39. ♕d2 ♖e8 40. ♘d3 ♕g3 41. ♖e1 ♖xe1+ 42. ♕xe1  (eval 1.22; depth 15 ply; 1000M nodes) |
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| Jun-27-04 | | meloncio: Yes, Alekhine arrived to Spain in october 1943, and never came back to occuped Europe. He spent his money quickly, because he liked "easy life" and hadn't incomes, but little chess tournaments and simul exhibitions. Chess wasn't then (and now!) very popular in Spain, so no much money available for Alekhine. Source: Pablo MORÁN, "La Agonía de un Genio" (Agony of a Genius), a book that I strongly recommend about the Alekhine's last years. I think there is an English edition. |
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Jun-27-04
| | ray keene: thank you meloncio-i think further speculation about alekhines finances is less interesting than why a draw was agreed-for that we have the hard evidence of the position-or so it seems -what does crafty say after qxb2? |
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