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Jun-04-07 | | Fast Gun: PH Clarke in his book Petrosian's best
games, includes all of Petrosian's wins from the Botvinnik match except for this one:
I am not sure why Clarke should omit this particular game, okay so it is far from perfect and technically flawed too, but this was the game that
broke Botvinnik's resistance and in effect decided the result of the match, because after this game, Petrosian coasted to the title with three quick draws, which cleary show that even Botvinnik had no fight left in him:
On move 42 Petrosian played b5 to create a passed pawn that eventually decided the game, also possible would have been 42. bxa !? |
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Nov-17-07 | | mccarthpm: if Bd4 on move 35-can't black simply trap the rook?-that is Bb4? |
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Nov-17-07 | | CapablancaFan: <mccarthpm: if Bd4 on move 35-can't black simply trap the rook?-that is Bb4?> No, that would only give Petrosian a passed pawn. Let's say if 35.Bd4 as you say, 35...Bb4? 36.a3! and the bishop would simply have to move again and since it can't move to the c3,d2 or e1 squares on threat of capture, it will be no longer able to protect the a5 pawn in which the rook captures immediately after black's next move. |
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Nov-18-07 | | Calli: <mccarthpm> see the first post |
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Mar-19-08 | | crchandler: Actually, according to later analysis, Petrosian could have probably ended the game with more of a bang. Instead of 29 Qb7, he plays 29 Rd1 followed by 30 Rh1 and concludes the game with a direct attack or eventually forcing Botvinnik to shed decisive material. |
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Mar-19-08
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: An interesting point about the decisive 18th and 19th games of this match is in both of them Petrosian played with two "pawn islands" versus three. He put a lot of emphasis on the importance of not having too many pawn islands--a number of people who attended the post mortems of his games recalled him stressing this point. He concept of pawn islands went beyond the contemporary concern focusing solely on isolated pawns. <crchandler> is correct, but as Fischer pointed out, Petrosian would never let anything distract him from his plan, not even good moves! It just wasn't his style. Petrosian played plans, not moves. A Petrosian-Alekhine match would have been interesting (if they had been born at the same time, of course): Alekhine was also devoted to deep, far-reaching plans, but his style of play was, shall we say, rather different. |
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Apr-02-08 | | Knight13: This game may look simple, but Petrosian's extremely solid here. Botvinnik tried to break through but nothing shaked. |
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Apr-20-08
 | | beatgiant: <Calli>
<53.g4+ Kf4 Huh What?>At first glance, 53. g4+ <Kxg4> looks dangerous because Black's king is in a net. But probably he can wriggle out again: 53. g4+ Kxg4 54. Rg3+ Kf5 55. Rg5+ Kf4 56. Bb2? <Bxf2!>. So there is probably no quick king hunt, but White still looks winning after 53. g4+ Kxg4 54. Rg3+ Kf5 55. Rg5+ Kf4 56. Rxg6 Bd4 57. Rc6, etc. Given the above, White should probably have played simply 53. Rd5+ Ke6 54. Rg5, soon picking up a second pawn. |
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Mar-19-11
 | | beatgiant: <Calli>
I just noticed that White may have a big improvement over the line I posted above.After 53. g4+ Kxg4, White probably plays <54. Rd7>. The point is if 54...Nc5 now 55. Rd5 and Black's knight gets in the way of the rook, preventing the counter-attack with ...Rc2. Now Black's king really is in a dangerous net and White will probably pick up some more material in the near future. 54...Nd8 in that line looks even worse. At the very least, White has 55. Nf6+ Kf5 56. Nd5 trapping the bishop (56...Bd4 57. Ne7+ Ke6 58. Rxd4). After 54...Nd8 55. Rd5 also looks strong. Black's knight is not defending the d6 square anymore so 55...Rc2 56. Nf6+ Kf4?? 57. Bd6#. Otherwise 55...Rc2 56. Nf6+ Kh4 57. Nxe4. |
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Mar-21-11
 | | beatgiant: Following up on my post above.
After 53. g4+ Kxg4 54. Rd7, the best defense seems to be 54...Nc5 55. Rd5 <Nd3>. Black's position looks pretty precarious and probably lost, but I have not found any quick knockout blow here. |
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Mar-23-11
 | | beatgiant: Continuing the line above, White does seem to win eventually. 53. g4+ Kxg4 54. Rd7 Nc5 55. Rd5 Nd3 56. Nf6+ Kh4 57. Bd6 Ne1+ 58. Kf1 Nf3 59. Nxe4 Rc1+ 60. Ke2 Nd4+ 61. Kd2 Ra1 62. Bg3+ Kh3 63. Rd6 Nf3+ 64. Kd3 Rd1+ 65. Kc4 Rxd6 66. Bxd6... With Black's king offside, it will soon cost Black a piece to stop the b-pawn. |
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Mar-23-11
 | | Sastre: After 53...Kxg4 54.Rd7, 54...Rc7 55.Rxc7 Bxc7 looks equal. |
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Mar-27-11
 | | beatgiant: <Sastre>
Yes, for some reason I didn't look at 54...Rc7 which leaves Black winning back a pawn, although White still has the slight advantage of a protected passed pawn.This brings us back to <Calli>'s original comment:
<53.g4+ Kf4 Huh What? Have no idea what the boys were doing there....> |
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May-06-11 | | Ulhumbrus: Although 16...f4 starts a King side attack, Black's Bishop at h6 blocks the use of that square for a Rook, whereas in the game Miles vs Korchnoi, 1978 Korchnoi was able to play a Rook to h6. One reason why 18 e5 answers Black's King side attack may be that it causes Black to open the d file after which White occupies it quickly. |
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Jan-12-15 | | thegoodanarchist: Beautiful positional chess by TVP. He doesn't win a pawn until move 65, yet he clearly owns the initiative for basically the entire game. Black valiantly struggles to hold on by his fingernails, but in the end must resign. |
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Jan-12-15 | | Strelets: <An Englishman> I envy those people. Petrosian had a staggering distance of calculation and probably treated his audience to numerous fascinating variations. |
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Jun-02-15 | | SpiritedReposte: White just had a target move after move, ratcheting up the pressure with each threat. Almost like sinking in quicksand. |
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Oct-12-21
 | | kingscrusher: Thank goodness for the trees. They bring us shelter quite often from the winds, and other elements. It seems as pointed out in this match, Petrosian favours less pawn islands. To take the tree metaphor, it is as if the e pawn of black - that pawn island of one is like a friendly little tree to the White's position, celebrating the warmth and comfort of that e4 square - as a basis for great operations. The trees are wonderful and so is having the opponent have more pawn islands than us - especially that "little tree" pawn island of one :) |
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Oct-12-21
 | | moronovich: Seems like "Botte", was barking up the wrong tree ;) (sorry <kingcrusher). |
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Dec-04-24
 | | plang: In games 3 and 13 Petrosian had played 8 Nxe4. 14..Bg5 was new; 14..Qe7 had been played once before. 17..Qg5 would have been more consistent with his previous play. Akopian recommended 18..g5 as an improvement. 29 Qb7 was a clever positional move paralyzing Black on the queenside; 29 Qh4 would also have been very strong (29..Bf8 30 Ng5). Petrosian's 30 c5 was very effective but I would like to point out one very pretty computer assisted line: 30 Ng5..Qf5 31 Be7!..h6 32 g4..Qc2 33 Nxe6..Bxe5 34 Nxc7..Rxe7 35 Rd8+..Kh7 36 Qd5..Rg7 37 Qxe5..Nc6 38 Ne8!..Rf7 39 Qg7+ and wins (this line is perhaps not consistent with Petrosian's style). Petrosian missed 35 Bd4 which would have led to the win of the QRP. 53 Rd7 at once would have been simpler. |
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Jan-29-25 | | Petrosianic: <Fast Gun>: <PH Clarke in his book Petrosian's best games, includes all of Petrosian's wins from the Botvinnik match except for this one: I am not sure why Clarke should omit this particular game, okay so it is far from perfect and technically flawed too, but this was the game that broke Botvinnik's resistance and in effect decided the result of the match> Harry Golombek, who was Match Judge, but also made no bones about his preference for Botvinnik, did a real hit on this game, which Clarke may have been influenced by: <GOLOMBEK: "The nineteenth game had been adjourned in a dead-won position for Petrosian. The general assumption was that it would last only another half a dozen moves. Had he had this position against Smyslov, it was said, Botvinnik would have resigned without resuming play. Flohr told his wile he would be back in half an hour in time to help entertain guests to a small party. I harboured ideas of going to the ballet that evening to see an interesting program of one-acters with music by Scriabin, Bartok and Prokofiev.There seemed ample time for all this, but in reality we were still there some three and a half hours later engaged most exasperatingly in watching Petrosian miss chance after chance of finishing off the game. Flohr never saw his guests nor I the ballet and Petrosian's play seemed more incomprehensible than ever. Later, however, we learnt that Petrosian had eaten something that disagreed with him and was not feeling well during all the period of resumption of play. In fact, the next game had to be postponed because of this - he was suffering from a surfeit of points was the press-room comment - and this was the first known case in the history of world championship chess when a player fell sick after winning two games in succession.> I ran it through Stockfish to get a more objective view. It didn't like 52. Nxh7 or 62. Be3, but otherwise okay. Golombek's claim that Botvinnik would have resigned without resuming against Smyslov seems laughable, which is probably why he didn't ascribe it to anyone in particular, including himself. (I wonder why he didn't mention Tal?) It does seem like more favoritism that you want to see a match judge showing, but he said several things like that during this match. |
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Jan-29-25
 | | beatgiant: <Petrosianic> <otherwise okay> This made me curious to recheck 53. g4+ which Calli criticized (and I and a few other kibitzers tried to analyze) above. The site's Stockfish shows that 53. g4+ is +0.99 while 53. Rd5+ is +2.75, which is a major difference (drop from "clearly winning" to "big edge"), and it's hard to conclude Stockfish thinks that decision is "okay." Did you use a specific numerical criterion to come up with your list, and if so could you explain it? |
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Jan-29-25 | | Petrosianic: <beatgiant> I just did a quickie review and looked for the moves it had marked as bad. It hadn't marked that one, but perhaps it would have if I had left it running longer. I'm perfectly willing to concede that this ending was not played as well as it should have been, and maybe it really doesn't deserve to be in Clarke's book, depending on how you feel about the quality of the first session. But the idea that Botvinnik was dissing an opponent he was losing badly to at the time by playing out an ending he would have resigned against somebody else seems more like Golombek's wishful thinking than Botvinnik's actual view. Golombek's comments indicate that he thought Botvinnik should have won the match. That's fine to feel that way, but it's a bit iffy for a match judge to say, not years later, but in coverage of the match. Alekhine included five of his six wins in the Capablanca match in his book, excluding only Game 12, for fairly clear reasons. |
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Jan-29-25
 | | beatgiant: <Petrosianic> Fair enough. I was mainly curious how you ran your check. I usually just use the site's built-in tools for the convenience. We've actually got computer annotations here and those also flag 35. Rc4, 53. g4+, and 55. Rxc7 with question marks, besides 52. Nxh7 from your list. There's no comment for 62. Be3, which was on your list. Stockfish here says it leaves White with over +9 advantage. Maybe 62. Bb6 to grab another pawn would improve the engine eval in a quickie run at low search depth? |
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Jan-29-25 | | Petrosianic: <beatgiant>: It wasn't a very rigorous check, mainly because I see flaws in this ending too, and don't want to puff the game too much myself. But I have Clarke's book, and as a reader I remember being annoyed that one win was missing. Same with Alekhine's book. Even if the missing win wasn't that great, as a reader you still want to see it. Game Collections are tilted. By looking only at a player's Best Games you start to feel that they play that well every day. But there are some games you have to include despite their being less than best. Game 11 of Alekhine-Capablanca was probably the sloppiest game of the match. But it was such a struggle, and had such great importance to the course of the match, that you could hardly leave it out. Ditto with Game 13 of Fischer-Spassky. |
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