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Mikhail Chigorin vs Wilhelm Steinitz
Steinitz - Chigorin World Championship Match (1889), Havana CUB, rd 11, Feb-10
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Slow Variation (C52)  ·  1-0

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ANALYSIS [x]
Notes by Stockfish 9 v010218 (minimum 6s/ply) 6...d6 7.Qb3 Qe7 8.d4 Bb6 9.Bb5 Bd7 10.Bxc6 bxc6 = -0.25 (35 ply) ⩲ +0.82 (26 ply)7...h6 was played in Allies vs Chigorin, 1891 (0-1)8.d5 was played in Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1889 (1-0)better is 9.Qb3 O-O 10.d5 Nd8 11.Na3 a6 12.Bd3 b5 13.Bxb5 Nxd5 = +0.48 (27 ply)= -0.03 (25 ply) after 9...h6 10.Bc1 Nd8 11.Ba3 Qf6 12.Nbd2 O-O 13.Nb3 Bb6 better is 10.Bb3 h6 11.Be3 b6 12.Nfd2 Qg6 13.f4 Ba6 14.f5 Qf6 = +0.31 (25 ply) 10...f6 11.Bc1 Bb6 12.Nbd2 c6 13.Rd1 Bc5 14.dxc6 dxc6 = -0.20 (25 ply) ⩲ +0.87 (24 ply) 12...Qc5 13.Rac1 Ng6 14.Nc4 b5 15.Qxa5 Nb7 16.Qb4 bxc4 ⩲ +1.14 (22 ply) ± +2.45 (22 ply) 13...f6 14.Nc4 Qc5 15.Be3 Bd4 16.Nxd4 exd4 17.Bxd4 b5 ± +1.94 (19 ply)+- +3.77 (22 ply)better is 22.Nc5+ Ke8 23.Nxa6 Rc8 24.Rxc8 Nxc8 25.Rb8 Nd6 26.e5 +- +5.70 (22 ply)+- +3.10 (20 ply) after 22...Kxd8 23.Rc4 g5 24.Rxd4 Ng6 25.d6 Ne5 26.Bc2 a3 31...Rc8 32.Bxd3 Re8 33.e7 Kc5 34.Be4 a5 35.Kf2 a3 36.Kg3 +- +10.11 (23 ply)1-0

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Feb-28-08  RookFile: But then, he wouldn't be Steinitz. There is a place for his bulldog tenacity. The difference between him and Lasker, though, was that Lasker knew when things weren't working, and it was time to try a different course.
Aug-30-10  soothsayer8: Any modern GM would have had little problem with Chigorin's Evan's Gambit. It was interesting to see this WC match as a battle of ideologies, with Steinitz clearly favoring the more positional QG and Chigorin with the aggressive Evan's Gambit.
Apr-04-14  Tal1949: It was very odd to see Steinitz play a game like this at this stage of the match. You would think by now that he would be able to handle the very predictable Evan’s Gambit, as he has already shown in game 9 that he can complicate the position for white. Here, however, he decides to ruin the opening by playing horrible moves at 10-13.
Dec-22-18  myhilarioususername: Its funny that Steinitz is still going for the 5th consecutive time, a variation that is already losing if white plays 8.d5
Mar-27-21  Chessist: Actually 29....Kc4 was played ("K-B5", ICM 1889, p. 91).
Mar-27-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: Why do you assume the <ICM>'s infallibility?
Mar-27-21  Chessist: <ICM> is the pope.
Mar-27-21  Chessist: Steinitz himself should probably know best what he actually played.
Mar-27-21  Z4all: What source did <CG> use then?
Mar-27-21
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  MissScarlett: Probably will not suffice. This is a site that demands the highest standards. The trick is to ignore 99.9% of the other posters.
Mar-27-21  Z4all: The sourcing question still remains.

Without it, <CG> is just run-of-the-mill (barring the scintillating posts of the 00.1% of course).

Mar-27-21  Chessist: Is there any source for Kc5 instead of Kc4? Copying the megabase does not meet any minimum requirements.
Mar-27-21
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  MissScarlett: After 130 years, why the hurry?
Mar-28-21  sneaky pete: Both Bachmann (Schachmeister Steinitz, Dritter Band, 1920) and Khalifman & Soloviov, Mikhail Chigorin, The First Russian Grandmaster, 1999) give after 28.Be4+ Kc4 29.Rxf7 Kb4 30.e6 d3 31Rd7 1-0.
Mar-28-21
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  MissScarlett: The <BCM, June 1889, p.239, also goes with <28...Kc4> & <29...Kb4>.

The <ICM> has <28...Kc5> & <29...Kc4>.

Does anyone claim <28...Kc5> & <29...Kb4>, or <28...Kc4> & <29...Kc5>?

Mar-28-21  Chessist: <ICM> has <28...Kc4> & <29...Kb4>.

Do you know the descriptive notation?
"28. K-B5" = 28... Kc4.
"29. K-Kt5" = 28...Kb4.

Mar-28-21
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  MissScarlett: <Chessist: <ICM> has <28...Kc4> & <29...Kb4>.>

<Mar-27-21 Chessist: Actually 29....Kc4 was played ("K-B5", ICM 1889, p. 91).> Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1889 (kibitz #10)

This is a site that demands the highest standards. At present, you appear to be failing.

Mar-28-21
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  MissScarlett: Upon a clear consensus, I will amend the score from <28...Kc5 29. Rxf7 Kc4> to <28...Kc4 29.Rxf7 Kb4>.
Mar-28-21  Z4all: <Missy> let's see what Helms says... leave it to me.
Mar-28-21
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  MissScarlett: Helms was on the scene in 1889?
Mar-28-21  Z4all: <MissS> You are certainly a strict taskmaster. (I was close, 1889 vs 1893, but close don't count in hand grenades...)

I meant BDE of course, but pre-Helms its record isn't quite up to snuff.

Mar-28-21  Z4all: <DSZ v44-45 N4 Apr 1889 p111 G-5195> has it though, with

<28...Kd5-c4 29.Te7xf7 Kc4-b4> (DSZ).

https://books.google.com/books?id=B...

.

Mar-28-21  Z4all: <La Revista de ajedrez, Issues 1-9 p34>

<

28.... R 5 A

29. R x P ...R 5 C

>

https://books.google.com/books?id=M...

Mar-28-21
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  MissScarlett: <You are certainly a strict taskmaster.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Y...
Mar-30-21  Chessist: Do you edit my posts to blacken me? I find that reprehensible.

Helms didn't start chess journalism before 1893 which almost everyone knows.

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