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| Jan-06-04 | | Lawrence: strobane and Catfriend, after 8.♔f1 Junior 8 prefers the bugout route 8.....♗c5 9.♕c2 eval -1.9, after 8.♔f1 ♘g4 comes 9.♕a4+ ♗d7 10.♕a3 ♘a6 eval -1.73 Black's ahead in both cases but hasn't won the game yet. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | kevin86: If seen this type of problem thousands of times;the trick to this one is trapping the white queen on the queenside-the rest is cut and dried 8 ♔f1 ♘e3+ forks king and queen and 8 ♔g1 ♕b6+ forces mate |
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| Jan-06-04 | | trguitar: White's moves 6. dxc5? and 7. Bg2?? killed him. If he'd played 7. Qa4+, he still would have been ok, though, I think. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | patzer2: <ossolinskm> If White had played the more popular 5. Bg2, it would have been a Catalan, Open variation. As it is with the dubious 5. Nbd2?! (or maybe 5. Nbd2!? is interesting), it's hard to classify. Perhaps that's why ChessGames.Com has it as a miscellaneous Queen's Pawn Game. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | patzer2: Maybe 5. Nbd2!? is not as bad as I first thought, but it does give Black a slight advantage with best play. Fritz 8 did a little analysis and found Black gets a slightly better position after 5...Qd5 or 5...b5 or 5...c5 (as in the game). Better are the two most popular options <5. Bg2> (see two links above for sample games) or <5. Qa4+> as in Ulf Andersson vs V Milov, 1997 |
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| Jan-06-04 | | patzer2: <trguitar> <White's moves 6. dxc5? and 7. Bg2?? killed him> I think you are essentially correct. I don't know know if I agree that 6. dxc5 deserves a (?)as a bad move, but I will agree it was probably not the best option here. If White had played <6. Nxc4> instead he could have survived and kept Black's advantage to a slight one with good chances of equalizing. You are correct that <7.Qa4+!> would have kept White alive, though Black may have had a slightly better position after 7. Qa4+ Bd7 8. Qxc4 Qb6 9. e3 Bc6 10. a3 Nbd7. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | Lawrence: kevin86, how do you manage to get your Knight from f6 to e3 in one mighty stride like that? |
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| Jan-06-04 | | Shadout Mapes: I think kevin86 simply accidentily typed 8 instead of 9. I saw the combination, and guessed that was it because after the queen moves black grabs the bishop, but I didn't see that the queen was trapped. |
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| Jan-07-04 | | tarami: very pretty. Such a keen eye and keen mind! Easy to miss such a scenario, if at all noticeable... After Ng4--- forces mate if Kg1, whereas Kf1 or Ke1 snares the queen on the OTHER SIDE of the board.. Penrose must have very good peripheral vision! |
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| Jan-07-04 | | Lawrence: kevin86, Shadout Mapes and tarami, I must repeat what I said yesterday: 8.♔f1 ♘g4 9.♕a4+ ♗d7 10.♕a3 ♘a6. There is no mate and the Queen does not get trapped. |
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| Aug-08-10 | | JimmyVermeer: <patzer2>, Viswanathan Anand would agree with you about 5 Bg2. He played it 3 times against Topalov in the 2010 World Championship match, winning twice and drawing once with it. By the way, I am curious what it means when chessgames.com gives the location of the game as "It". I used to think it stood for Interzonal Tournament, but I looked up some information on interzonal tournaments and couldn't find any players with these names. |
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| Aug-08-10 | | ughaibu: I think it was the British championship, and the year looks wrong. |
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Dec-10-11
 | | GrahamClayton: <ughaibu>I think it was the British championship, and the year looks wrong <ughaibu>,
This game was played in Round 9 of the 1950 British Championship at Buxton. |
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| Dec-10-11 | | ughaibu: Okay, thanks. |
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| Nov-23-13 | | Nosnibor: <GrahamClayton> This game was actually played in round 10 of the 1950 British Championship at Buxton. In round 9 Veitch beat Golombek in a very nice game playing a Gruenfeld!He finished 7th equal with Barden and A.R.B Thomas gaining 6.5 points from 11 games,ahead of Abrahams,Golombek,Phillips,Berger,Winter,Fazekas-
et al |
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| May-23-24 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Seems trivial: 7...Bxf2+ 8. Kxf2 Ng4+ etc. |
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| May-23-24 | | Allderdice83: Took a while to figure out how to win. 7 ... Bxf2+ is obvious, and,9. Kg1 Qb6+ leads to mate, while 9. Kf1 Ne3+ loses the queen straight out. The key is that 9. Ke1 also loses the queen; she has no safe place to go where she isn't forked with the king. Gonna have to remember this opening trap, especially if I try playing the Nimzo-Indian again. |
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| May-23-24 | | lentil: I saw the attack pretty quickly, but thought that 10. ... Bd7 was the closure of the trap. I missed BOTH that W had 11 Qa3 AND that B then had ... Nc2+. (My miss of 11 Qa3 is yet another instance of what I call the 'phantom piece', where in my vision, a piece remains on its original square after I [mentally] move it. Here, that piece was the B/c5). |
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May-23-24
 | | takebackok: Monday like easy, took me awhile to see the queen was toast though. |
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| May-23-24 | | mel gibson: I saw that but Stockfish 16.1 declines the Bishop: 7. .. Bxf2+
Bxf2+ (7. .. Bxf2+ (1. ... Bxf2+ 2.Kf1 0-0 3.Qc2 Bc5 4.Nxc4 Nc6 5.Nce5 Bb6
6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.a4 h6 8.a5 Bxa5 9.Ne5 Bb6 10.Ra3 Bb7 11.Bf4 Nd5 12.Bf3 Qc7
13.h4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Bd4) +3.24/43 356
score for Black +3.24 depth 43.
if I force SF to accept the Bishop as per the game: 8. Kxf2 Ng4+
Ng4+ (8. .. Ng4+ (1. ... Ng4+ 2.Ke1 Ne3 3.Qa4+ Bd7 4.Qxc4 Nxc4 5.Nxc4 0-0 6.Bg5 f6
7.Be3 Bc6 8.Kf2 Na6 9.Rhd1 Qe7 10.Rac1 Rfd8 11.Ncd2 e5 12.Bh3 Bd7 13.Bg2
Rac8 14.Nh4 Be6 ) +4.99/45 382)
score for Black +4.99 depth 45. |
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| May-23-24 | | stacase: Knights are like a double pendulum (Pandemonium?). It's difficult to see how much damage they will do in three moves. |
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| May-23-24 | | TheaN: I think nobody today has issues finding the starting move, <7....Bxf2+>. White can decline, 8.Kf1, but then Black won the critical Pf2 and White's a mess. Black should be wary though that retreating (8....Bc5 ∓) or castling (8....O-O ∓)
are key to prevent a counterattack: 8....Ng4? is a mistake after 9.Qa4+ Bd7 10.Qa3= and Black should be careful to not lose a piece. The point is not that 7....Bxf2+ 8.Kf1 is objectively best, but that White can't play <8.Kxf2>: <8....Ng4+ 9.Ke1> Kg1 is #3 after Qb6+ and Kf1 Ne3+ -+ <9....Ne3>:
click for larger view
Hitting an almost trapped queen and the bishop on g2. It seems though White has a zwischenschach with <10.Qa4+>, but <10....Bd7 -+> traps the queen anyway. The only free squares are a3 and b4, which run into Nc2+. |
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| May-23-24 | | TheaN: As a Catalan player, the main issue here is 5.Nbd2. The knight should be on c3: Black should play 5....b5 ⩱ as the knight isn't hitting b5 and play into the standard structures of the Catalan Accepted. 5....c5=, on the other hand, is a cheap attempt to get early initiative, White should play 6.Nxc4= here and now to get the knight off that awful d2 square, 6.dxc5? ⩱ makes no sense conceptually and that shows as 7.Bg2? ∓ borderline loses. Good pattern to know though, regardless of the fact I don't see myself play into this. |
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May-23-24
 | | chrisowen: I q up yes its het Bxf2+ afc pick doh its axiom juggle its acclaim map Bxf2+ over! |
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Mar-03-25
 | | kingscrusher: Cute game - very good example of a sacrifice targeting a king soft spot. |
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