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Mar-03-15
 | | perfidious: <FSR: A.J. Goldsby in his site on D. Byrne-Fischer notes that in <The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games> Nunn, Emms and Burgess give the game 13 points out of a possible 15. They only give two games a perfect 15, and three games a 14....> That is some dang good company.
<Soltis ranks the game No. 28 in his book <The 100 Best Chess Games of The 20th Century, Ranked>. I'm guessing that there aren't any games by 60-year-olds playing in the Barnet League in those books.> How many points of a possible fifteen might Levy give D Byrne-Fischer? Ten? Eight? Five? |
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| May-17-15 | | abadravi: Who says this is old , this is youngest game.. |
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| May-21-15 | | newzild: Further to the debate between <Zhbugnoimt>, <DoctorD> and <lost in space>, the more modern engine Stockfish does prefer 12.Bxf7+, giving an evaluation of +0.36 after 12...Rxf7 13. Nxf7 Kxf7 14. Kb1 Qb6 15. Qf4. In other words, Stockfish considers this to be an edge for White, but not "winning". |
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| May-21-15 | | newzild: ...Stockfish says that the decisive blunder is 18...Nf6?? (+3.50), giving 18...Bf6 as equal (  0.00). |
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Jun-13-15
| | perfidious: <newzild> The position after 15.Qf4 seems objectively not bad, but subjectively not to Tal's taste at the time, given his love of complex play. The Tal of the 1970s and later may well have gone in for the line you give, though. |
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| Jun-14-15 | | lost in space: <<newzild:> Further to the debate between <Zhbugnoimt>, <DoctorD> and <lost in space>, the more modern engine Stockfish does prefer 12.Bxf7+, giving an evaluation of +0.36 after 12...Rxf7 13. Nxf7 Kxf7 14. Kb1 Qb6 15. Qf4. In other words, Stockfish considers this to be an edge for White, but not "winning“.> Agreed |
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| Jul-25-15 | | thegoodanarchist: This game, IMO, is the <real> game of the century. And this is from someone who views Fischer as the greatest ever. |
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Jul-26-15
 | | HeMateMe: Where is the Barnet league, anyway? |
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| Jul-28-15 | | turcoknight: Why not 21..Qxd1 first and then 22..Kxf2? Queen Will Be lost anyway but it Will capture white rook first. Please explain. |
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| Jul-28-15 | | turcoknight: Sorry i meant 20..Qxd1 |
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| Oct-09-15 | | st.dvy: Just like all of you, I love studying grandmaster games, especially those of the super greats. Smyslov is probably among the top 10 players that ever played, but doesn't get the credit. Tal, like Fischer and Kasparov are everyone's favorites; yet Smyslov had a winning record against Tal and played in more world championship situations than Tal and Fischer...combined!
Anyway, I can't believe how poorly Smyslov plays this game. Examine the position after 11.Bc4: Tal has 5 developed pieces directed at your boy's king, while my boy has one...his queen ?!? The queen rook can spring into action at any time but will never be needed. I'm just a lowly, B player, but I can tell you, I've NEVER had a position this poor before my 11th move.The whole attacking and capturing the king's bishop is just so slow and wrong. Smyslov is attacking a bishop while Tal is sending THE TEAM to his king!!!
I don't care what you say, 15..Nh5 is ludicrous. Simply move the knight the other way to e8 and the attack is finished. Black would have 5, count 'em, 5 pieces on the back rank but the attack would be over and Tal would be demoralized and the counter attack could begin. "Think like Petrosian, play like Tal"..or something like that! |
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Oct-09-15
 | | beatgiant: <st.dvy>
<Simply move the knight the other way to e8 and the attack is finished. Black would have 5, count 'em, 5 pieces on the back rank>
15...Ne8 16. Qxd8 Qxa2 17. Bc3 now where's your counter-attack? |
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| Oct-09-15 | | Mehem: There's nothing wrong with Black's position after the opening. It may seem underdevelopped but the counterplay on Q-side and lack of weaknesses give an equal game. Smyslov lost due to the tragic blunder 18... Nf6?? but after 18... Bc7 Tal has no better choice than to force a draw with repetition 19.Nxf7+ Kg8 20.Nh6+ Kh8 21.Nf7+ |
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| Nov-26-15 | | teddyo: <turcoknight> 20...Qxd1 loses the bishop on d8 - the white knight escapes; 20...Rxf7 drops the exchange. It looks counter-intuitive though admittedly. |
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| Nov-29-15 | | st.dvy: You are right about 15...Ne8 16. Qxd8. Smyslov played even worse than I was giving him credit for. Tal was simply amazing, period! |
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Nov-30-15
 | | offramp: Poor Smyslov is the victim of a drive-by graffitist. |
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| Dec-10-15 | | nilanjanasm: Bobojjj |
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| Dec-21-15 | | yurikvelo: Smyslov lost game after 10. ... Qa5 (following 11. ... b5 minor mistake).
But Tal, playing 12.Bd2 give Smyslov chance for 3-rep draw, which Smyslov didn't see (18. ... Bc7 or 18. ... Bf6 lead to repetition possibility). If consider neither Tal nor Smyslov see this deep tactical draw possibility - 18. ... Nf6 is not a blunder, game was lost due to weak Smyslov opening play:
4. Nd7?
10. Qa5?
11. b5?
http://pastebin.com/EBXu9053
full game multiPV |
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Dec-21-15
| | offramp: I play the Caro-Kann, because it is Mt Rushmore-like in its solidity. So my admiration for Tal is colossal; who else could get a position like this 
click for larger view
at move 7 in a Caro-Kann? Against Smyslov??! Total wizardry. |
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| Apr-27-16 | | johnkr: 18...Nf6 definitely a mistake. As acirce found, 18...Bf6! better. Is it a great game or just a great combination? I favor the latter. |
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| May-02-16 | | Johnnysaysthankyou: Pardon my ignorance but after Bc6, what, pray tell prevents 19. Bxc6 and after 19...Nxc6 then Qxf7 still? The rook is still pinned, Re8 still leads to smothered mate. Does Bc6 really hold? The alternative being gxf6, what happens on a move such as this? It looks like white can play Nxf7 or rook lift and black's getting mated pretty quick. Someone explain? |
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| May-02-16 | | Retireborn: <Johnny> After 18...Bf6 19.Bxf6 Nxf6 20.Qxf7 Black can just play 20...Bf5 or 20...Ba6; then the black rooks are connected, which makes all the difference compared to the game. |
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| May-02-16 | | Johnnysaysthankyou: Okay then, so why not Ng5? I don't see a way that black can defend the threat. I think Ng4 might be the best move after Bf6 if the bishop takes we're back to square one with a mate threat. Bxg5 Qxg5 Nf6 Ng4 etc. |
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| May-02-16 | | Johnnysaysthankyou: Scratch Ng4, try Rd6 instead. Winning for white. |
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| May-02-16 | | Retireborn: <Johnny> After 18...Bf6 19.Ng5! Bxg5+ 20.Qxg5 Black should not play 20...Nf6 which loses straight away to 21.Qxf6. Instead after 20...f6! 21.Qg3 Ne5 the position is just unclear, I think. |
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