| Oct-18-03 | | seoulmama: These games must be rapid games. The moves imply so. |
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| Oct-18-03 | | morphynoman2: I like 27. Be7! and 32. Rd8! |
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| Oct-18-03 | | zorro: Karpov thought a lot on 12...Ne8, about an half an hour, if I remember well. This usually is a sign that the opening didn't go the right way. Is there someone playing theese lines that can tell me something about that? |
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| Oct-18-03 | | drukenknight: You know what he messed up zorro? He forgot to bring out his QN. Go through the moves yourself and there are at least 5 times by move 23 when he could have brought out the N (Nc6). Even after that, there is still a chance to bring out the N but probably still loses. It's useless to analyze w/ computer in fact, even the computer cant see a clear win until near the end, but failing to get the QN out was just bad. |
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| Oct-19-03 | | zorro: <drukenknight> His N being still at home is clearly Black problem, but I'd want to know why Karpov didn't take it out. After all he still is Karpov. I had a look at the line in the Openeing Explorer: 6. 0-0 is a sideline, the main one being exactly 6. Nc6. After 7. Bg5 Be7 8. Rd1 h6 9. Bh4, 9...Nc6 is again the main option. There's only one game with 9...b6 J Vinuesa vs Eliskases, 1939 where White played 10. e3, but 10. e4 is clearly better: u don't control the dark squares I threaten e5. Is this what Karpov overlooked? You say that he had about 5 chances to take out the N by move 23. To me after he decided to postpone it in the opening playing ...b6 instead he had no longer time for it: if 12. Nc6 W's e5/Ne4-d6 looks strong, if 13...Nc6 then 14. e5 d6 15. exd6 Nxd6 16. Ne4, on 16. Nc6 again the pin decides 17. Rfd1 Rd8 18. Ne4 |
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| Oct-19-03 | | drukenknight: instead of 12...Ne8 he could have played Nc6. on move 20 he hits the R w/ B could have w/ the N, on 23. move 16 or 17, and sometime in the opening too. |
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| Jan-02-06 | | acirce: A sign of things to come from the new star on chess heaven. Karpov was completely outplayed positionally here. |
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| Jan-02-06 | | suenteus po 147: I'm guessing that Karpov can't hold on with 32...Rh7 because of 33.Re8, but I'm not certain. Can anyone confirm? |
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Jan-02-06
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1.  (20.05): 33.Qf3 Qxd8 34.Rxd8 Nd7 35.Qg3 Nf8 36.Ne5+ Ng6 37.Nxg6 fxg6 38.Qb8 f5 39.Qxa7+ Kf6 40.Qxh7 h5 41.Rf8+ Ke5 42.Qe7 Ke4 43.Qxc5
2. (8.89): 33.Qc3 Qf4 34.Nxf6
3. (4.93): 33.h4 Nc6 34.Qf3 f5 35.Qc3+
4. (4.79): 33.R1d6 Nd7 34.R8xd7
5. (4.50): 33.Re8 Nc6 34.Qxc5 Ne7
6. (4.10): 33.Qd3 Nc6 34.Rg8+ Kxg8 35.Nxf6+
7. (3.15): 33.Qh3 Nc6 34.Qh4 Qe7 35.Rc8 Rc7 36.Rxc7 Qxc7 37.Qxf6+ Kf8 38.Nxh6 Nd4 39.h3 Qe7 40.Qf4
8. (2.83): 33.R1d2 Nc6 34.R8d6
9. (2.75): 33.b3 Nc6 34.R8d6
10. (2.45): 33.R8d6 h5 34.Ne5
11. (2.31): 33.f4 Nc6 34.Qc3
12. (2.20): 33.g3 Nc6 34.Qf3 f5 35.Qc3+ e5 36.R8d7 Qxd7 37.Rxd7 Rxd7 38.Nxe5 Nxe5 39.Qxe5+ Kg6 40.Qxc5 Rd2
13. (2.19): 33.Kf1 Nc6 34.R8d7 Qxd7 35.Rxd7 Rxd7 36.Qxc5 Nd4 37.Qb6 h5 38.Ne3
14. (2.12): 33.h3 Nc6 34.R8d6 Nd4 35.R1xd4 cxd4 36.Qxd4
15. (2.06): 33.R1d3 Nc6
16. (2.00): 33.a3 Nc6 34.R8d6 Nd4 35.R1xd4 cxd4 36.Qxd4 e5 37.Nxf6 exd4 38.Ne8+ Kf8 |
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| Jan-02-06 | | suenteus po 147: <tamar> Thanks! I hadn't seen 33.Qf3 as a great response to 32...Rh7. |
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| Jan-02-06 | | weisyschwarz: Why 15...Nxd6? Karpov loses a move unpinning his queen, and that bishop on g3 proves to be his undoing. Was the horse dead? |
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Jan-02-06
| | tamar: <weisyschwarz: Why 15...Nxd6? Karpov loses a move unpinning his queen, and that bishop on g3 proves to be his undoing. Was the horse dead?> In a word yes.
15...Bd6 16 Rxd6! Nxd6 and the pin from Bg3 will win the Nd6 since Black can only protect it with ...Rd8 and White can attack with Rd1 and Qd3. I think Karpov was surprised by Aronian, who gave him no chance. |
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| Jan-03-06 | | setebos: Aronian has the talent to become WC. |
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| Jan-04-06 | | weisyschwarz: <tamar>, thanks. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | arsen387: WOW, Karpov positionally outplayed by young Aronian here! Very beautiful, one can even say 'in Karpov style' |
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| Jul-29-15 | | whiteshark: A forceful line on moves starting with <25.Bd6!> |
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| Jul-29-15 | | Fanques Fair: Why not 24..., Nbd7 ?
It seems to more or less solve all imediate problems for Black . Of course White is better, but Black would then have at least connected rooks and developed knights. I don´t really see a big advantage for White after this. Or is there some tactical shot I am missing ? |
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