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| Jan-04-09 | | WhiteRook48: wow... either you lose your Q or you lose your rook to a bishop |
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| Mar-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: 33 Rd2! is a great example of the <DISCOVERED ATTACK.> |
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| Jun-07-09 | | Dionyseus: Rybka 3 on the 14th move:
Analysis by Rybka 3 x64 4CPU:
14.a4 Bh5 15.Ba3 Re8 16.Nf1 Bxf3 17.gxf3 Ng5 18.Kg2 Bd6 19.Bxf5 Qf6 20.Bg4 Rxe1 21.Rxe1 Rf8 22.Re3 Nd8 23.Qb3 c6 24.Ng3 Nde6 25.Kh1
= (0.02) Depth: 20 00:25:26 355mN |
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| Jun-07-09 | | Dionyseus: Next Best:
14.Rb1 Bf6
= (0.00) Depth: 20 00:44:39 658mN
14.Rb1 Bf6 15.b5 axb5 16.Rxb5 Na5 17.Ne5 c6 18.Rb1 Bxe5 19.dxe5 Qe7 20.Nf1 Qxe5 21.f3 Qxc3 22.Bxe4 Qxe1 23.Bg5 Qxb1 24.Bxd5+ cxd5 25.Qxb1 Bh5 26.Ne3 Rf7
= (0.09) Depth: 21 02:29:22 2190mN
So at depth 20 Rybka 3 thinks Rb1 is even but at depth 21 the eval goes up to 0.09 and becomes Rybka's 3 top choice, at least for Next Best, would have to do a clean run to see if it actually replaces a4 with Rb1 by itself. |
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| Oct-22-17 | | SChesshevsky: Interesting that Hydra accomplishes a lot without doubling rooks or even getting his Queen's Bishop off the back rank until two moves before the end of the game. Apparently very efficient chess. |
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Jul-30-21
 | | Phony Benoni: The idea being (I guess) that the original Hydra was a mythical bast with nine heards. This probably converts to an Elo over 3500. |
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Jul-30-21
 | | keypusher: <Phony Benoni: The idea being (I guess) that the original Hydra was a mythical bast with nine heards. This probably converts to an Elo over 3500.> Hercules has demanded a recount for this pun. |
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| Jul-30-21 | | newzild: <Keypusher> As is often the case on chessgames.com, it isn't a pun. |
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Jul-30-21
 | | HeMateMe: I guess people lost interest in the man v. machine duels. Haven't had one for awhile in chess. |
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Jul-30-21
 | | Dionysius1: <newzild>. And sadly, it comes closer to being one than most of them do. |
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| Jul-30-21 | | Brenin: <HeMateMe>: I think the human race tipped its King over and shook hands some time ago in that particular contest. |
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Jul-30-21
| | Dionysius1: <Brenin>. As I often do, I'm wishing there was a like button. Have a "hear hear" and a "well said" instead. It made me laugh. |
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| Jul-31-21 | | Z truth 000000001: I don't like the like button concept - preferring the "buy me a beer" button instead! |
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Aug-02-21
| | HeMateMe: there is also a world champion backgammon program that now defeats the best human players. Checkers, too. I play both games. is Go the last refuge of the human race? |
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Aug-02-21
| | keypusher: < HeMateMe: there is also a world champion backgammon program that now defeats the best human players. Checkers, too. I play both games.
is Go the last refuge of the human race?> No, we've been overcome in Go also. AlphaZero's Go-playing predecessor defeated the world champion in Go. |
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| Aug-02-21 | | nok: Bridge rather.
A bunch of nerds having at it: https://nukk.ai/ |
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Aug-02-21
| | keypusher: < nok: Bridge rather.
A bunch of nerds having at it: https://nukk.ai/>From their website.
<How we will do it
NukkAI uses the game of Bridge as a testbed for its innovative approaches. Bridge, unlike Chess or Go, has resisted AI so far due to being a multiplayer, incomplete information game whose rules impose some explainability. We will build models and programs capable of outperforming humans at Bridge, while providing transparency and explanability to their actions. The techniques learned along the way can be applied to real-world domains with great societal benefits.> I love it, sounds like <how do we get venture capitalists to pay us to play online bridge?> No doubt there's somebody else out there whose "testbed" is the World Series of Poker. |
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Aug-02-21
 | | saffuna: Bridge is a team game. Wouldn't it require two computer programs? |
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Aug-02-21
| | keypusher: <saffuna: Bridge is a team game. Wouldn't it require two computer programs?> Ideally (if no humans are involved), I'd think you'd want four for the bidding phase, since as far as I know (not far at all) communicating to your partner about what's in your hand via bids is a critical skill in bridge. I'm sure there are some good bridge players around -- maybe perfidious? But perhaps NukkAI's idea is having a program play with a human and see how well it can communicate with her/him. |
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Aug-02-21
| | saffuna: Have you ever seen how bidding is done in professional tournaments? Barriers are put up to separate partners. Bidding is done nonverbally. During the play cards are passed on a tray. But there is still cheating. |
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Aug-02-21
| | keypusher: <saffuna> Wow. Sounds like the only way to stop cheating in bridge is to ban humans from playing it. |
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| Aug-02-21 | | nok: Good one |
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Aug-04-21
| | HeMateMe: how do you cheat in Bridge without visual contact with your partner? morse code tapping on the floor? |
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Aug-04-21
| | saffuna: <how do you cheat in Bridge without visual contact with your partner?> One method was to position the tray in a manner to indicate the strongest suit. |
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Aug-08-21
| | Dionysius1: <Z truth 000000001: I don't like the like button concept - preferring the "buy me a beer" button instead!> That rings a very vague bell. Back in about 2011-2012 on one of the general forums, that was a common way of talking - inviting people to a virtual party or meeting them down virtual pub for a drink. I can't get back far enough in my kibbitzing archive to look for it. Have a beer regardless! |
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