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Team White vs Team Black
"Black and White and Read All Over" (game of the day Jul-27-2010)
Battle of the Brains (2009), chessgames.com, rd 3, Nov-26
Semi-Slav Defense: Stoltz Variation. Shabalov Attack (D45) · 0-1

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Nov-14-09		Anatoly21: <Red October> I find that particular line interesting, though I think after 10...Nd5, White has trouble demonstrating much of an advantage. The game in the database on the line isn't entirely convincing, but my intuition tells me that its tough for White to get much going after that. I admit my bias however: I think a Semi-Slav would provide the most entertainment for both sides.

Nov-14-09		The Chess Express: <SirChrislov> Good evening sir. I too enjoy playing the Scandinavian. It's white's inability to get meaningful play against it that drove me to develop the f4 lines. As I noted in the Scandinavian forum black can (and should imo) avoid them with 2...Nf6 3. d4 Bg4 or 3. Nf3 Qxd5. If we should happen to play the Scandinavian does this sound reasonable to you? I'd have to see some improvements for black before I vote for 1. e5 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nxd5. 4. d4 click for larger view White scores pretty heavily in this line. Opening Explorer

Nov-14-09		whatthefat: <Sneaky> I like your thinking - it would be nice to play Alekhine's defence, and it's an opening I've been wanting to learn.

Nov-14-09		crawfb5: <whatthefat> I used to play Alekhine's OTB. I do have a number of older books on it as well as about 40K Alekine's Defense games in my database with both players 2400+. I don't know quite how I feel about it in modern CC, but if others want to play it, I'm willing to give it a try.

Nov-14-09		Ron: I want to win this game. I say we follow standard grandmaster play in the opening.

Nov-14-09		The Chess Express: In my opinion the easiest way for black to get a good game against 1. e4 is 1...e5. I'm curious to know what objections people might have to this. Here are a few ideas that are taken from my own repertoire. Bishop Opening/Vienna Game. 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 Nc6 4. Nc3 Na5 5. Nge2 Nxc4 6. dxc4 c6 7. O-O Opening Explorer click for larger view Four Knights 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. d3 a6 6. Ba4 Opening Explorer click for larger view Ruy Lopez 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bc5 5. O-O Ng8-f6 6. c3 O-O 7. d4 Ba7 8. Bg5 h6 9. Bh4 e4 10. e5 g5 11. Nxg5 hxg5 12. exf6 Qxf6 click for larger view Much of my analysis on the Ruy Lopez is not found in databases. From my own experience I can say that black has excellent winning chances in all these lines and risks little. The Danish and the King’s Gambit both give black a good game with extra material. The Scotch is fun for both sides. I like both 4. Nxd4 Bc5 and 4. Nxc4 Nf6 Opening Explorer Fire away with any questions.

Nov-14-09		WannaBe: <Ron> If we do, we can also offer a draw after move 15! :-))

Nov-14-09		SirChrislov: <TCE> Good evening Sir, Right, the 3.d4 Bg4 and 3.Nf3 Qxd5 lines are completely playable and not analyzed-to-death lines, like Lopez and Sicilian, leaving plenty of room for creativity. Even thou I would'nt recommend the 3.Nf3 Nxd5 line, it's not completely unreasonable. It's true that in Opening Explorer Blk loses pretty heavily in that line but I would'nt draw conclusions based on OE's White wins/Black wins bar. We all know that wht wins more often than blk, and this is in my humble and especially in modern practice, due to middlegame and endgame mistakes and rarely because of blk's opening choice; thou I do discard pasive defenses like Pirc and classical French defence.

Nov-14-09		crawfb5: <TCE> Your Ruy line had a typo. It should be <9...exd4> not <9...e4>. Have you seen this recent game? [Event "19. Czech Chladek & Tintera A Open"] [Site "Pardubice CZE"] [Date "2008.07.25"] [Round "8"] [White "Blomqvist, Erik"] [Black "Nabaty, Tamir"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "2322"] [BlackElo "2431"] [ECO "C78"] [EventDate "2008.07.18"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Bc5 6.c3 O-O 7.d4 Ba7 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bh4 exd4 10.e5 g5 11.Nxg5 hxg5 12.exf6 Qxf6 13.Qg4 Ne5 14.Qxg5+ Qxg5 15.Bxg5 b5 16.Bb3 d3 17.Nd2 Bb7 18.Rae1 Rfe8 19.Ne4 Ng4 20.Nf6+ Nxf6 21.Bxf6 c5 22.h4 c4 23.Bd1 Re6 24.Bg5 Rae8 25.Rxe6 dxe6 26.Be3 Bxe3 27.fxe3 Kg7 28.Bh5 Rf8 29.g3 f5 30.Kf2 Be4 31.Ke1 Kf6 32.Bd1 Rh8 33.Kd2 Ke5 34.Rg1 Bc6 35.Rf1 Rh7 36.Rg1 Be8 37.Bf3 Bh5 38.Bh1 Rg7 39.Ke1 Kd6 40.Kf2 e5 41.Bf3 Bxf3 42.Kxf3 e4+ 43.Kf2 Ke5 44.Ra1 a5 45.a3 Rb7 46.Ke1 Kf6 47.Kd2 Rg7 48.Rg1 Rg4 49.Rg2 Kg6 50.Rg1 Kh6 51.Rg2 Kg6 52.Rg1 Kf6 53.Rg2 Ke6 54.Rg1 Rg6 55.Rg2 Kd6 56.Rg1 Kc5 57.Rg2 b4 58.axb4+ axb4 59.Rf2 Rxg3 60.Rxf5+ Kb6 61.cxb4 Rg2+ 62.Kc1 Rc2+ 63.Kb1 Re2 64.Rd5 Rxe3 0-1 BTW, I'm also ok with 1...e5 although I never really play it myself.

Nov-14-09		SirChrislov: <TCE> I played 1... e5 in my beginner days, before I made the semi-open games a must against 1.e4. still, it's been so long since I played a Lopez, I wouldn't mind givin it a try, if 1... e5 recieves the most votes of course. I can't remember if this was said by Bronstein or Rubinstein: "The Ruy Lopez is like milking a cow.", refering to how black gradually gets squeezed to death.

Nov-14-09		blue wave: hi all

Nov-14-09		Ron: The recent Tal Memorial provides good opening lines. For example, 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2 Nbd7 9. g4 h6 10. 0-0-0 Ne5 and 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 a6 5. e3 b5 6. c5 Nbd7 7. Bd3 e5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. dxe5 Nd7 10. e6 Nxc5 11. exf7 Kxf7

Nov-14-09		whatthefat: I can't say I enjoy the Black side of the Scotch.

Nov-14-09		The Chess Express: <crawfb5> Thanks for the game and the correction of the typo. No, I haven’t seen that game yet. It looks like an important one. For me it’s gotten to the point where all I play in the double king pawn now is the Scotch. If there’s a way for white to maintain the advantage in the Ruy Lopez I haven’t found it yet. It was actually <me to play> who turned me on to the a6 ... Bc5 defense. Speaking of which, has anybody heard from him lately? It’s been awhile since he last posted. It would be a shame to lose one of our top players.

Nov-14-09		The Chess Express: <whatthefat> Have you looked much at this line? I've had some good results with it. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Bc4 b6 8. O-O Bb7 Opening Explorer click for larger view

Nov-15-09		whatthefat: Interesting, I hadn't really seen the ...b6/...Bb7 idea there before. And it does seem to score well for Black.

Nov-15-09		Red October: hi <Blue Wave> I see 1.e4 is in the lead

Nov-15-09		blue wave: hi <Red October> Yes I voted 1.e4, I think I'd like to play a Sicilian...

Nov-15-09		radu stancu: <1.e4 answers> Hmm, I might be interested in seeing a <Scandinavian>, but I absolutely loathe playing the <Alekhine>. I'm losing a game as white against it, but that's because I missed a winning line earlier; I realized the "counter" was no good just after I made a different move. And that's against a ~100 points higher rated player who's a regular Alekhine practitioner. I don't like to be at a disadvantage out of the opening. I also agree with the point about the <Sicilian> being all theory. That's why I switched away from it in my games. I'd rather play <1...e5>. I've never found the <King's Gambit> to pose that many problems after: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6, and any of the <Ruy>, the <Four Knights> and the <Scotch> are very playable for black as TCE said. The <Two Knights> can also be very fun to play. I'd only suggest <1...g6> against 1.e4 if we're thinking of going with the <King's Indian Defense> against 1.d4. They have some lines in common and I think that going into KID is one of the best outcomes of 1...g6. The problem of course is that white is more likely to go for TCE's line for example...

Nov-15-09		OhioChessFan: <AKF: can I change teams too? ;-) > Hmmmmmmmmmmm, a Team White double agent. Suggest 1...a6 and bail out on us? By the way, Elvis is in the house.

Nov-15-09		OhioChessFan: Is the Caro-Kann really that out of date that nobody mentions it?

Nov-15-09		OhioChessFan: If it were just a question of winning or losing, if it were not possible to play a brilliant game, to make an incredible queen sacrifice, to play the occasional shocking or outrageous move, then I suspect many people would not play chess. It simply would not be worth it; such a difficult game and with so few rewards. --- Jonathan Levitt

Nov-15-09		radu stancu: <OhioChessFan: Is the Caro-Kann really that out of date that nobody mentions it?> It's probably just a question of individual preference. I don't think anyone can really say that it's worse than the Alekhine, the Scandinavian or the Robatsch. :)

Nov-15-09		Red October: votes are tied again, my main concern about 1.e4 is that its harder to get them out of the book...

Nov-15-09		A Karpov Fan: < radu stancu: <OhioChessFan: Is the Caro-Kann really that out of date that nobody mentions it?> It's probably just a question of individual preference. I don't think anyone can really say that it's worse than the Alekhine, the Scandinavian or the Robatsch. :)> Caro-Kann was my first suggestion :-) especially since it would probably tempt white into being too aggressive, then the game gets really interesting. I'm game for whatever the majority chooses tho talk of Alekhine defense and Scandinavian....I pity the White side for picking a fight with a team this crazy :-)

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