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| Mar-17-13 | | Everett: I thought there was some increment per move, meaning everyone has 10 or so seconds per move at least. Not so? |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Eyal: <Everett> The increments (of 30 seconds per move) start here only from move 61. |
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Mar-17-13
 | | FSR: Oh, I was thinking there were increments all along. In that case, Ivanchuk is a total idiot, rather than just an idiot. I mean, what the hell - a player as experienced as he is doesn't have enough sense to avoid gross time pressure? |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Jason Frost: Chucky often has poor clock management and has had a number of high profile losses on time. So obviously his fault here, but still a bit confused on why increments are not used at all before move 40. I understand not using 30 seconds per move, but is 5 seconds, which would equate to less than 7 extra minutes really too high a price to pay for avoiding such pointless time scrambles? |
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| Mar-17-13 | | IndigoViolet: Traditionally, FIDE events haven't used increments at classical time controls. They only become possible, of course, with the advent of electronic timers. |
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Mar-17-13
 | | Eggman: Haven't most of the big tournaments of the last few years had increments from move 1? Why would they make an exception here? |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Everett: < Eyal: <Everett> The increments (of 30 seconds per move) start here only from move 61.> Well, I don't get it. The Bronstein clock was designed by the man himself to prevent the complete inability to be due to having no time. I know the some variation of this idea is also part of the Fischer clock, but the implementation varies. To lose on time because you refused to move after the increment lapsed seems the only sporting way to lose on time. Just my opinion. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Just Another Master: FSR lmao. Imho the increment is fine or not for the first time control, its not like you cant see your clock, its not rocket science to figure out that you should leave say 10 minutes for the last ten moves at least, its either some of these players need a clock to manage their time or they just love the adrenaline rush cause they keep doing it, and in back to back games that's just irresponsible on his part. |
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Mar-17-13
 | | tamar: Aronian seemed a bit dour at the press conference, probably because no one likes to be perceived as winning on time. He let the time scramble affect him enough that he rejected 25...Bxd4! although he said he saw it. Just thought it unnecessary given that Ivanchuk was so low. He didn't say he saw 31 c4! however. and that is how most of us will remember this game. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | csmath: This is an awful game. Aronian did nothing special than simply played active defence while Ivanchuk burned bridges with nothing to show for. One could say this is a typical "bad" Ivanchuk and this is why he could have never become challenger. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Fish55: Maybe Chucky should study these bizarre openings that he's playing so that he won't get into time pressure having to work his moves out at the board. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Eyal: <tamar: He [Aronian] let the time scramble affect him enough that he rejected 25...Bxd4! although he said he saw it. Just thought it unnecessary given that Ivanchuk was so low.> Yeah, it's funny how the opponent's severe time trouble can sometimes affect badly one's own play (at least in terms of the objective quality of moves). Mark Crowther, in his report of round 2, said about Radjabov's "nominal" mistake 33.Rxb6? in yesterday's game vs. Ivanchuk: <it's impossible to play seriously when your opponent's flag is inevitably going to fall.> (http://www.theweekinchess.com/chess...) |
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| Mar-17-13 | | Everett: <csmath: This is an awful game. Aronian did nothing special than simply played active defence while Ivanchuk burned bridges with nothing to show for.> Ivanchuk forced Aronian to play a somewhat awkward pawn-structure, but the latter was able to generate interesting piece play along the central ranks. I felt it was an interesting game. There is also a N vs B question in this game. Which minors should stay on or be swapped for both sides? |
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| Mar-17-13 | | csmath: Depend on position and taste (!)
Since Aronian opened up the position completely obviously a pair of bishop is stronger. Aronian did what an active player would do for defence. Open up the other side! My take is that Ivanchuk played h4 without clear idea what he wants to do else than he would like some blood. That kind of stuff could work against the guys in Capa's annual tournament but not against a guy like Aronian who is not afraid of "free for all" type of position. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | King Radio: Ivanchuk obviously became seduced by the sacrificial possibilities early on, and it cost him the game. He should have heeded the advice of Lasker, Petrosian, or Fischer, and just played rather than looking for some elusive brilliancy. I like Chukky, and I hate to see him lose games like this to bad clock management. |
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| Mar-17-13 | | SaVVy66: can someone tell whats the winning line for aronian.. i dont rely on houdinis anaysis that much..! i think ivanchuck is having mid life crisis he just makes blunder in mid games shatters like a glass castle fisrtly Radjabov.. Noe aronian..! He must defeat MC. to prove we can bet on him anymore..! |
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| Mar-18-13 | | Eyal: <SaVVy66> I already gave the winning line a few posts back. But anyway, the fact that the final position is winning for Black is almost coincidental (it was equal on move 33) - Ivanchuk would have lost on time anyway. |
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Mar-18-13
| | tamar: <The fact that a player is very short of time is, to my mind, as little to be considered an excuse as, for instance, the statement of the law-breaker that he was drunk at the time he committed the crime.> Alexander Alekhine Games like this won't reform Ivanchuk though. After all, the time he spent thinking resulted in stellar play from a lost position. Had he left himself 10 minutes or so, it is unlikely he would have seen 31 c4!! at the end, and would have lost without a chance. |
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| Mar-18-13 | | Just Another Master: At the press Conference it was sad to see Chucky....he was like crying...tears of vodka probably |
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| Mar-18-13 | | JENTA: Well, it seems that Ivanchuk likes weird rook moves.
Moreover, after Aronian developed his bishop on b7, Ivanchuk invented a plan to complicate the position, searching for interesting tactical possibilities. Thus, Ivanchuk played Rg1 to defend the pawn g2. That pawn was needed to defend Qf3. The idea was to play Ne4 and Qf3 against black's Bb7. White's Bd3, defending Ne4, seemed to be too safe after c2-c3. Therefore, white left his king on e1: perhaps black can took Nd3 with a check.
Black cooperated with white's plan. Black did not play Kg8-h8 and let his king on g8. Perhaps white plays Nf6 with a check? It was not enough. Then black put his Queen on b5. Perhaps white can play Ne4-d6?
However, while thinking about how to commit a perfect suicide, Ivanchuk wasted too much time.
Ivanchuk is a great artist, but he does not seem to realize that he is playing against the strongest grandmasters. At least SOME home preparation has been needed since 1948, and even more it is so today - when your opponents are using computers. Man has to know at least the idea of how to attack in this opening. Like some game from the 19th century. |
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| Mar-18-13 | | dunican: <tamar> <Had he left himself 10 minutes or so, it is unlikely he would have seen 31 c4!! at the end, and would have lost without a chance.> I don't understnad, are you saying that if he'd had 10 more minutes, Ivanchuk wouldn't have found a move he actually played with 5 seconds on the clock? |
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| Mar-18-13 | | Diademas: Since Ivanchuk lost on time, how come it was him that made the last move? |
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| Mar-18-13 | | Eyal: <Since Ivanchuk lost on time, how come it was him that made the last move?> The same thing happened in his loss to Radjaobv, and happens a lot in general. Apparently he made the move on the board, but was unable to stop his clock before the flag fell. So the DGT board, which doesn't "know" the clock situation, recorded the move. |
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| Mar-18-13 | | Diademas: Thank you <Eyal>. I kind of arrived at that conclusion too. What Im not sure of is weather Chuckys last move should count.
Does anyone know what the rules say? |
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Mar-18-13
 | | harrylime: After 33..Qa3 I'm assuming Chucky's gotta let the knight go with something like 34.Qd2.. What's the take on this position ? |
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