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| Nov-23-08 | | ughaibu: Here's a pre-arranged game: L Sanchez vs Pachman, 1959 |
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| Nov-30-08 | | WhiteRook48: ...♗a3 is also mate. There's an annotation of this game at Gameknot. The annotator said that RJF would rip his head off for even LOOKING at one of his games... I wonder if Fischer does that? |
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| Dec-01-08 | | WhiteRook48: ...Kg7!!! Besides breaking the pin, it also places the Knight at least 3 moves away from delivering another check!! |
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| Dec-09-08 | | DoctorD: From espn.com:
FISCHER KING
In his sport's "game of the century," Bobby Fischer upset 1953 U.S. chess champ Donald Byrne by sacrificing his queen to take a rook, two bishops and a pawn (all without pads). Did we mention that Fischer was just 13? |
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Dec-09-08
 | | sleepyirv: <DoctorD> It was in the magazine too, the greatest games of all time (in rather minor sports) |
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Dec-09-08
 | | paulalbert: Bobby's actual scoresheet of this game, which was played at the Marshall Chess Club, is among the approximately 50 boxes of Fischer material officially donated last night at the Marshall by Russell Targ, who was married to Joan Fischer, Bobby's sister. The material was given in 1958 to the Targs by Bobby's mother Regina Fischer. Paul Albert |
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| Dec-10-08 | | WhiteRook48: This game should be written:
11. ♗g5? ♘a4!! Then on move thirteen, it should have 13. bxc3 ♘xe4!
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17. ♔f1 ♗e6!!!!!!! |
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| Dec-12-08 | | Augalv: My favorite Fischer game. |
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| Dec-18-08 | | WhiteRook48: <TheMacMan> Fischer was not the best. Morphy was. His winning percentage is 92%. Fischer's is a weak 75%. (Not that I think Fischer is not a player to be reckoned with because he's skilled, but I think Morphy's better.) |
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| Dec-18-08 | | Riverbeast: <Fischer was not the best. Morphy was. His winning percentage is 92%. Fischer's is a weak 75%. > I agree Morphy may have been the most dominant player of any era, but Fischer's winning percentage of 75% was hardly 'weak'....Most of the other WCs (including Kasparov) had lower winning percentages |
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| Dec-21-08 | | WhiteRook48: This is possibly my favorite 0-1 game ever. |
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| Dec-23-08 | | WhiteRook48: I meant Morphy's winning percentage was 84%. |
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| Dec-27-08 | | brodian: Game of the Century busted by 18 Qxc3. Even though black is a pawn ahead, the result is a draw as played by personalities Alekine and Tal in Chessmaster 9000. You try it, and let me know the outcome. |
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| Dec-27-08 | | MaxxLange: <brodian>18.Qxc3 Qxc5 19.dxc5 Bxc3 20.Bxe6 Rxe6, and Black is up a pawn Having Chessmaster play out a position with its different "personalities" isn't really a decisive way to analyze a position... |
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| Dec-27-08 | | zdigyigy: Fischer was the first of a long line of super GM's and a chess professional. This sort of chess animal simply wasn't around in the 19th century. It is my opinion that Fischer would dominate Morphy quite easily. Who knows? Perhaps they are playing together now..... |
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| Jan-02-09 | | GeorgeFirst: To brodian: after 18. Qxc3 Qxc5 19. dxc5 Bxc3 20. Bxe2 Rxe6 black is a pawn ahead, but it's not all. The major facotr is a great positional advantage of black. White has difficulties with its king and with its rook on h1. I do not know tha analysis by Chessmaster, but I could play to win this position as black with any player of comparable strength. |
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| Jan-02-09 | | Magnusch: <WhiteRook48: This game should be written:
11. Bg5? Na4!! Then on move thirteen, it should have 13. bxc3 Nxe4! and
17. Kf1 Be6!!!!!!!>
Agree on most here, but not the last about Be6.
I dont think this move is worth ANY '!' at all. The game continuation is forced and even a player around 2300 should (and would) easily found it. Impressive game anyway. |
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| Jan-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: Byrne is not rated 2300. Doesn't seem to be rating points here. |
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| Jan-02-09 | | Augalv: <Byrne is not rated 2300. Doesn't seem to be rating points here.> And occasionally, this game by Bobby is underrated. |
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Jan-02-09
 | | sisyphus: I was always curious how strong Donald Byrne was when he played this game. According to Jeff Sonas' estimate, he peaked at 2633 in April 1955, number 38 in the world. http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Play... |
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| Jan-03-09 | | Eyal: Position after 17...Be6!!:
click for larger viewAn interesting tactical point, which I think hasn't been discussed thus far in the multitude of kibitzing pages, is related to the option of White retreating with his bishop along the f1-a6 diagonal (to d3 or e2), which is met by 18...Nb5. Nb5 is a natural move for Black to consider once 15...Nxc3 is played, since it allows to extricate the knight from its en prise position while attacking the white queen; so it's interesting to see how it would fare on moves 16 & 17 as well. After 17.Kf1: 
click for larger view17...Nb5? fails to 18.Bxf7+! Kh8 (18...Kxf7 19.Qb3+ Be6 20.Ng5+ Kg8 21.Nxe6 Nxd4 22.Nxd4+ Qxb3 23.Nxb3 is clearly winning for White) 19.Bxb6 Nxa3 20.Bc5 (or 20.Bxe8 axb6 21.Bf7) and White remains the exchange up, though Black has chances to fight for a draw. On the other hand, after 16.Bc5, with the rook still on f8 (so that Bxf7+ can be met by Rxf7): 
click for larger view16...Nb5 should be quite good for Black, though not as strong as Rfe8+; for example, compare the line 16...Nb5 17.Qb3 Rfe8+ 18.Kf1 Qc7 19.a4 b6 20.Bxb6 axb6 21.axb5 cxb5 22.Bxb5 Red8 with, two moves later, a line like [18.Bd3/e2] Nb5 19.Qb4 Qc7 20.a4 a5 21.Qb2 b6 22.Bxb6 Qxb6 23.axb5 Rab8 or a4. This might have some relevance to the speculations about how much Fischer actually saw in advance when playing the sequence of moves 11-17, in the sense that even without seeing or fully appreciating the consequences of the queen sac from the very start, he had available a move like 16...Nb5, extricating the knight, as a kind of safety net. |
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| Jan-03-09 | | Eyal: Btw, it's been asked several times here why this game wasn't included in Fischer's "My 60 Memorable Games", and in response <Rookfile> mentioned a previous book by Fischer, "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", where this game has already been analyzed, and Fischer's probable reluctance to rehash old material. I've noticed that this book has been reissued several months ago (http://www.amazon.com/Bobby-Fischer...), and according to the description it indeed includes analysis of 14 games, none of which appears in MSMG - this game and the 13 from the 1957/8 US championship won by Fischer. Also included are scores of the 20 games played in the Interzonal. The book was published in 1959, before the Candidates' Tournament; its blurb reads: <The games in this book reveal Bobby Fischer's brilliance in middle and end-game strategy, and also the latest and soundest treatments of popular openings-in particular, the Sicilian and King's Indian defenses. By playing these games over, the reader will become familiar with the patterns of the latest and soundest lines in chess, and will automatically begin to make stronger moves in his own games. At the age of fifteen, Bobby Fischer is the youngest international grandmaster of all time. He lives in Brooklyn, is a junior at Erasmus Hall High School, and is looking forward to the 1959 Candidates' Tournament, the winner of which challenges Mikhail Botvinnik for the world championship.> |
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| Jan-06-09 | | Tessie Tura: <Btw, it's been asked several times here why this game wasn't included in Fischer's "My 60 Memorable Games", and in response <Rookfile> mentioned a previous book by Fischer, "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", where this game has already been analyzed, and Fischer's probable reluctance to rehash old material.> Fischer does say in 'My 60 Memorable Games' that anyone interested in this game and other earlier ones could consult his first book. It might have been nice, however, if he had revisited the game from a more mature perspective. None of the games in "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess" (I have the little hardcover and haven't seen the new edition) are annotated to death, to say the least. |
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| Feb-05-09 | | WhiteRook48: I think Fischer missed an earlier mate in the king hunt |
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| Feb-19-09 | | fatoldugly: first: the player field when morphy played was very small; so after a number of games there will be a consistancy to the win loss ratio.
second: the avalablity of material now and then is worlds apart and this is not to includ computers and the internet.
third: i have read that for a least a year, but i remember it as three years Mr. Fischer did nothing but study end game play; this is hard work not genius. |
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