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| Nov-05-03 | | AdrianP: The Soltis book is pretty good. It's nowhere near as entertaining as 60 Memorable Games, but not much is! Each game is introduced with a biographical snippet, and there's quite a perceptive general introduction. Andrew Soltis is perhaps no SuperGM, but the annotations seem well researched. To be honest I have done much more than skim through the book... I'm still playing through every game in Gazza's OMGP Vol. 1 at the moment...! If you're a Fischer fanatic it's worth the buy or if you want a second Fischer book, I'd probably recommend it as well, but I'd tell anyone to try to buy My 60 Memorable Games first. |
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| Nov-05-03 | | Shadout Mapes: It seems like it's impossible for him only to have memorized one of his games considering his memory. I myself usually have no trouble remembering some of my own games if they're particularly exciting, no matter how long they are. |
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| Nov-05-03 | | AdrianP: "More than a decade later Fischer said that this was one of the few games of his that he had committed to memory". (p. 15 Bobby Fischer Rediscovered, Andrew Soltis)...? |
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| Nov-06-03 | | talchess2003: <Ughaibu: This game has a nice combination but to say it's the greatest chess ever seen in the 1950s just suggests that you haven't done much research.>
What makes a game good is not only a combination.. i think you have some studying to do about the other aspects of chess... This was a perfect game by Fischer, just try and find a flaw in it. I do agree that there are many other great games out there... you cannot say that this is the one best game there is, but you can say it belongs in the category consisting of a few games, that are perfect and can be considered the pinnacle of chess play. The Be6!! move was not what made it a favourite and one of the best in my mind... Tal, Lasker, and company have come up with even more briliant combinations.. its how Fischer persists in a "blow-by-blow" method, following a strong strategy, where this game has turned into a tactical minefield with him in complete control. |
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| Nov-06-03 | | ughaibu: Talchess2003: There are innumerable games with perfect play the shortest being fool's mate, the quality of a game depends on the play of both sides. White's play in this game wasn't strong enough to require great play by black. |
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| Nov-11-03 | | AdrianP: <Eggman> There's a short review of the Soltis Fischer book here:-
http://www.gmsquare.com/Reviews/and... |
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Nov-12-03
 | | Eggman: Thanks AP. |
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Nov-12-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Be6 must be the counter of the century> The game is lovely but claims like this one seem to be a little bit exorbitant. In fact, 17...Be6 is pretty obvious move. Black risks nothing with this sac of Queen as he can force repeating of moves whenever he wants, not to mention the fact that after 18.Bxb6? (It is a suicide. 18.Be2 was necessary although then black's position would have been better too.) there is a quite long, but absolutely forced and not so difficult line, which gives huge material advantage to black (A Rook, 2 minor pieces and some pawns are much more than the lonely Queen. White's problem is that he cannot play 25.Qd6 Nxd1 26.Qxd1? for 26...Rxa2 threatening 27...Ra1.) with a continuing attack on King as bonus. Of course, Fischer's execution was excellent, not to mention the fact that he was then only 13 years old.:-) |
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| Nov-12-03 | | Shadout Mapes: I think what makes this game amazing was that Fischer absolutly destroyed a man who was in the top 10 in America for one mistake. The calculating involved for Na5 was very impressive. The end was very impressive as well, I especially like 34...Kg7 threatening to win the knight. |
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Nov-12-03
| | Honza Cervenka: I like 13...Nxe4. After 14.Bxe7 Qb6 15.Bxf8 Bxf8 16.Qb3 Re8 17.Qxb6 (17.Be2 Nxc3  ) 17...axb6 18.Be2 Nxc3 19.Rd2 Bb4 20.Kf1 Ne4 21.Rb2 Bc3 22.Rc2 Nd2+ 23.Kg1 Rxe2 24.Rxc3 Nxf3+ 25.gxf3 Bh3 26.Rc1 Rxa2 white is absolutely paralysed. |
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| Nov-12-03 | | Shadout Mapes: Honza, in your line, what about 13..Nxe4 14.Bxe7 Qb6 15.Bxf8 Bxf8 16.Qb3 Nxc3? |
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Nov-12-03
| | Honza Cervenka: <Shadout Mapes> 16...Nxc3 is also very good for black. After 17.Rd3 Nd5 it is difficult to find any reasonable move for white. 18.Qxb6 axb6 is hopeless and 18.a3 Re8+ 19.Kd1 Qa5 doesn't look much better. |
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| Nov-12-03 | | Marnoff Mirlony: Simply put, ughaibu hates Fischer for no good reason and slanders his games recklessly. |
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Nov-12-03
 | | Benzol: This game is certainly elegant, and very impressive having been played by a thirteen year old, but would it have been so highly praised if Fischer had played it, say in his mid twenties? I think perhaps more amazing is Fischer's memory. With regard to earlier comments on it, the following episode from "The Unknown Bobby Fischer" sheds an illuminating light.
Mark Taimanov remarks about a conversation between Fischer and one of Taimanov's seconds Evgeny Vasiukov during their 1971 Candidates match.
"The conversation revolved around the match until my second, Yevgeny Vasiukov suddenly turned to Fischer".
"Bobby, do you remember that in 1958 you spent several days in Moscow and played many blitz games against our chessplayers? I was one of your partners."
"Of course, I remember," Fischer replied.
"And the result?" Vasiukov asked.
"Why only the result?" Fischer responded. "I remember the games. One was a French."
"And he rattled off all the moves!"
It would seem that to be a great player one must also have a phenominal memory. Among other players who possessed great memories were Alyekhin, Botvinnik, Tal and Kasparov. |
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| Nov-13-03 | | drukenknight: >> I think what makes this game amazing was that Fischer absolutly destroyed a man who was in the top 10 in America for one mistake. Well...could it also be possible that American chess was at its nadir? I mean that is at least a plausible explanation as Fischer's brilliance. What did the USC number at this pt. in time? something like 5,000? There were more survivors in Mao's communist party after the Long March then there were registered US chess players. THen along came Fischer, and the future of American chess playing was secured. |
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| Dec-03-03 | | Petrosianic: Another thing that makes this game amazing is that it was played by a kid who only won one other game in the whole event. Not counting this game, Fischer was +1-4=5 in his other games. Even Bisguier beat Fischer in this tournament, and Fischer losing to Bisguier is practically against the laws of nature. |
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| Dec-08-03 | | grandeurdon: That Fischer succeeded in crushing Bryne in this game should be no news.He was very good then despite his age and could have done it over and over again given the same mistake made by Byrne.Age rarely matters in chess;knowledge mostly matters.He practically saw what was left of Bryne's fate after 18...Bxc4.Kasparov, at 12, also did almost the same against Romanishin. |
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| Dec-12-03 | | Dick Brain: I agree with the comment that the moves following 17...Be6! alone would not be a combination far out of the norm. That kind of combination seemed downright routine in the days of Morphy and Anderssen. Maybe on par with the Paulsen-Morphy Queen sacrifice (you know the one I mean).
What really makes this stand out were the additional moves 11...Na4! (a bolt from the blue) and the file-clearing, rook-attacking, and possibly Queen-deflecting desperado 15...Nxc3!
And of course that all this has proven solid in subsequent analysis. Black is in big trouble after 11...Na4 no matter what he does. |
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| Dec-13-03 | | grandeurdon: Dick, u've gotten a point there really.But I believe 11...Na4 wasn't a spur-of-the-moment move made by Fischer.Fischer had probably come up with that move during one of his studying moments.No doubt Fischer is a powerful chess player but a more powerful chess player would have come up with such move spontaneously.I think it's a good move.Could be spectacular but we've got a long list of such moves now and mostly through the help of computers. |
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| Dec-13-03 | | Shadout Mapes: I don't see how Fischer could have possibly studied 11..Na4 beforehand. Why would he even bother studying 11.Bg5? |
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| Dec-13-03 | | Dick Brain: The only way I would beleive that Fischer at 13 years could have prepared for that peculiar move of the already-developed Bishop is if Fischer had seen Byrne play this before perhaps in a speed game. I suppose that this position could happen more reasonably with colors reversed since White would have the extra tempo, but I don't think Fischer would rarely if ever play a slow catalan-like game for white. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | Giancarlo: This has ti be one of the greatest games of all time. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | Whitehat1963: Giancarlo: Yes, of course it's a great game, that's why there's six pages worth of kibitzing about it. |
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| Jan-06-04 | | Drstrangelove: I once saw a picture of this game being played. Does anyone have a link where one could find it? |
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| Jan-11-04 | | Bears092: I had a position in one of my games yesterday that resembled the one after the 32nd move of this game. I was black. I won a piece early in the game, then i traded my queen and two pawns for 2 rooks and a piece.
Here's the FEN: 3r2k1/1Q2bppp/1p6/3n4/3P4/P5P1/1P3PKP/4r3 w - - 0 27 |
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