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Jan-25-04 | | Benjamin Lau: Note: I deleted one of my posts which gave away too much about the games, they're too cool to spoil. |
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Jan-25-04 | | Calchexas: Easy enough puzzle; the first thing I saw was taking the rook after Bxf7 (about even), but saw how to win the queen soon after. |
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Jan-25-04
 | | Honza Cervenka: Another trapped Queen you can see in Von Der Lasa vs Adolf Anderssen, 1845 |
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Jan-25-04 | | Catfriend: That's not what I meant. In that game the queen is simply won in a typical way. I meant positions where the queen isn't pinned or something - it just is attacked and can't go anywhere! |
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Jan-25-04
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Catfriend> <In that game the queen is simply won in a typical way.> Well, in the final position the Queen is pinned after quite simple combination, but I think that Lasa's haunt of black Queen is a little bit longer and much more sophisticated. |
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Jan-25-04 | | Catfriend: I agree it isn't a simple pinning, it's also the Nh6+!! and all the great hunt, but yet, I doubt it answers the definition "trapped queen"... |
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Jan-25-04
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Catfriend> Black queen seems to be doomed after Anderssen's 16...Bf6. There is no retreat or satisfactory defence for his poor Queen after that.:-) |
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Jan-25-04 | | Catfriend: OK, I maybe can accept this.. though barely:) |
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Jan-27-04
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Catfriend> For another example of trapped Queen see Beliavsky vs Larsen, 1984 |
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May-29-11 | | dull2vivid: 5.Bg5!? – Because after c6 we see that black intends action on the queen side, so shouldn’t white keep the bishop on this side? 18.f5? 18… Rxd4! Equalizes … White should have played Rad1, and waited until the right moment for f5. Instead, black meets a mistake with a mistake and plays exf, allowing the forced trap of the queen . The rest is a piece of cake. |
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Jan-12-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Cool! A Botvinnik puzzle!
A very short while after viewing the diagram I started to think to myself, "Wow, that Black Queen looks pretty constricted." Then I started to look for ways to trap her. And I found, 19. Bxf7+! Rxf7/Kh8 20. Nc4 and the Black lady is trapped. If, however, after 19. Bxf7+! Black plays 19...Kh7?? 20. Bg6+ and 21. Nc4 when White wins the Q without having the light-squared B captured or en prise. LTJ |
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Jan-12-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Looking at the game, I'm surprised with how oddly Botvinnik played from his 29th move onward as clearly 29. Qxc6 Bb7 30. Qe6 is good for White. Time trouble might have been an issue.
LTJ |
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Jan-12-12 | | psmith: 19. Bxf7+ Rxf7 20. Nc4 wins the Queen. Is there something I'm missing? (Peeks.) Nope! |
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Jan-12-12 | | dzechiel: White to move (19?). Black is up a pawn. "Medium." I've spent some time looking at 19 Ng6 without success. I like how it takes advantage of the pinned pawn to attack the rook and the bishop, forcing the reply 19...Rfe8. Beyond that I'm not seeing anything promising. OK, I finally found the line (took me long enough). Similar to yesterday, white picks up the queen for two minor pieces after... 19 Bxf7+ Rxf7
I had looked at this line before as well, but always followed up with 20 Qc4. This is insufficient. But now... 20 Nc4
attacks her highness, and has the lucky happenstance of uncovering protection on c7 by white's dark squared bishop. This has to be the line.
Time to check. |
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Jan-12-12 | | rilkefan: Couldn't get a direct attack on the king to work, so moved down to the off-side queen, and then the problem was easy. |
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Jan-12-12 | | BadKnight: material almost equal, black is temporarily a pawn up, black king has no immediate danger, but hey..the queen is almost trapped..so Bxf7, Rxf7, Nc4 and the queen is trapped. |
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Jan-12-12
 | | al wazir: Found it, with some difficulty. The weakness on f7 is so tempting that I almost forgot the first thing I noticed, the precarious situation of the black ♕. The answer is to use both of them. |
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Jan-12-12 | | newzild: Thursday
19. Nxf7 Rxf7
(looks forced, as White threatens the Rd8 and a discovered check rampage via h6 and f5) 20. Qc3 Rdf8
(If 20...Nbd5 or 20...Nfd5 then 21. Nxf7 followed by capturing the Nd5, with a decisive material advantage) 21. Ng6 Bd8
(If 21...Re8 then 22. Nxe7+ Rxe7 23. Bd6, hitting the Re7 and Nb4) 22. Nxf8 Kxf8
23. Bd6+
Winning the Nb4 and the game.
I'm sure this is it. Quite tough for a Thursday, I think. |
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Jan-12-12 | | newzild: Missed it completely! |
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Jan-12-12 | | M.Hassan: "Medium" White to play 19.?
White is a pawn down:
Black Queen seems to be trappable:
19.Bxf7+ Rxf7
20.Nc4
Black Queen does not have escape square |
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Jan-12-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <Patriot> I need your help, man. There is this game,
D Flores vs Radjabov, 2005 Instead of 39. Rc2, what else could have White played (can you kindly give me a line on this) and what's the Houdini's eval on what follows. Please and thank you most sincerely!
LTJ |
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Jan-12-12 | | TheoNov: <LoveThatJoker: Looking at the game, I'm surprised with how oddly Botvinnik played from his 29th move onward as clearly 29. Qxc6 Bb7 30. Qe6 is good for White.> You're objectively right, but it's maybe not that simple. After 30...Ne3 hits the R and both the f5 and g2 pawns  click for larger view where 31.Rf2 does hold the fort. However, it leaves the back rank open to tricks and also then comes 31...Bd5 chasing the Q. After 32.Qxa6, moves like 32...Bc5 may look uncomfortable for White.  click for larger viewPerhaps Botvinnik saw this and preferred to simplify into a won ending instead of giving Black so much "optical counterplay"? |
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Jan-12-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <TheoNov> In this line, which I analyzed myself earlier, 32 Qxa6 Bc5 33. Qc8+ and the Black's dark-squared B must retreat. However, I was prefering after 31...Bd5 the more positionally safe 32. Qc8  click for larger viewLTJ |
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Jan-12-12 | | checkmateyourmove: sweet puzzle. |
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Jan-12-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <TheoNov> Furthermore, even 32. Qg6 is good for White. click for larger viewLTJ |
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