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| May-07-03 | | Sarimanok: Does black have a fighting chance? The material seems even. |
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May-07-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: I think that white position is pretty hopeless. Black will capture Ph3 in the next move and after that he can start strong attack on the king side with his minor pieces and rooks, which seems to be irresistible. For example 31.Kg2 Bxh3+ 32.Kh2 (of course not 32.Kxh3?? Nf2+) 32...g5 33.Qc2 (33.fxg5 Rh7 34.Kg1 Rf8 threatening Rf5 with next Rxg5+) 33...g4 with next Rh7, g3, Kf7, Rah8 etc. Other retreats of white king in the 31st move don't seem to change anything important: 31.Kg1 Bxh3 32.Rc1 (or 32.Qe2 - it is difficult to find any reasonable move for white in this position) 32...g5 with decisive attack or 31.Ke2 Bxh3 32.Rg1 g5! 33. fxg5 (33.Rxg5+?! Nxg5 34.Qg6+ Rg7 35.Qh5 Nf3!; 33.Ke1 g4) 33...Rf2+ 34.Ke1 Raf8 etc. |
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| May-07-03 | | brazos: What does crafty say about this position? |
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| May-07-03 | | crafty: 31. ♔f3 ♗xh3 32. ♖g1 ♖e8 33. ♕c2 g5  (eval -4.91; depth 14 ply; 250M nodes) |
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| May-08-03 | | Calli: Interesting is 26.h3! Qxg3 27.Rf3 trapping the queen |
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| May-27-03 | | actual: 27 Rf3 Qh5 |
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| May-27-03 | | Calli: actual: It is impossible, Queen can't move from g3 to h5. If you meant h4, there is a pawn at h4 in this variation. |
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| May-28-03 | | drukenknight: Nice call by Calli. The way Flohr plays it, he loses the B but this way it looks like material has now been restored to equal. |
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| May-28-03 | | actual: <Calli> my bad... |
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| Jun-09-03 | | Sarimanok: 10 best games of Botvinnik please. :) |
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Jan-31-05
 | | offramp: <Sarimanok: 10 best games of Botvinnik please. :)>
I don't think this should be in that group. Flohr took a 2-0 lead in this match. Bronstein says that "Flohr - who used to lose one game a year - suddenly lost two games in a week. Why? Because Grigory Abramovich Goldberg, Botvinnik's second for the match, had shown Flohr where to buy an extremely cheap fur coat!" - Sorcerer's Apprentice. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | iron maiden: One of the best-played Dutch games I've gone over in some time. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | Boomie: Calli's 26. h3 line is an improvement but black has a big advantage anyway. One Fritz line is: 26. h3 ♕e6 27. ♘f1 ♖e8 28. ♖c1 ♕f5 29. ♕xf5 ♗xf5 30. b4 ♖fe7 31. b5 cxb5 32. ♖c5 b6 33. ♖xb5 ♗d3 34. ♖bb2 ♗xf1 35. ♔xf1 ♖xe3  1.36 |
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| Apr-09-05 | | kevin86: White is a goner;he has but a pawn and queen for a rook,knight,and bishop. He is very passive as well-a good time to strike his colors. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | Calli: <Boomie> 31.b5? looks suicidal in that line. 31.Rc3 is a sound defensive move. Black is better, I agree, but not clearly winning. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | aw1988: Would you believe Qe8 is a novelty here?! Goes to show you the Dutch was only just being invented. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | Boomie: <calli> Yep. 31. ♖c3 seems to do the trick. White has a nice minority attack on the q-side. I can't find any winning lines for black. 31. ♖c3 ♔f7 32. ♖b2 a6 33. a4 ♗e4 34. b5 ♗xg2 35. ♔xg2 (35. ♖xg2? ♘e4 36. ♖a3 cxb5 37. axb5 axb5 38. ♖b3 ♖c8 39. ♖xb5 ♖c1 40. ♖xd5 ♘g3 41. ♖xg3 hxg3 42. ♔g2 ♖b1 43. ♖f5+ ♔g8 44. ♖c5 b5 45. ♖c8+ ♔f7 46. ♖b8 b4) 35... ♘e4 36. ♖c1 cxb5 37. axb5 g5 38. bxa6 bxa6 39. ♖a2 gxf4 40. exf4 ♖g8+ 41. ♔h2 ♘g3 42. ♘xg3 ♖xg3 43. ♖c5 ♖ee3 44. ♖xd5 ♖xh3+ 45. ♔g1 ♖eg3+ 46. ♖g2 |
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| Apr-10-05 | | patzer2: Black's deflection 25...h4! threatens a nasty pin and sets up the Queen sacrifice 26...hxg3!, trading the Black Queen for three pieces and a pawn. The threat of the Knight Fork after 31. Kg2 Bxh3+ 32. Kxh3?? Nf2+ gives Black a winning advantage. |
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| Apr-11-05 | | drukenknight: "Yep. 31. c3 seems to do the trick"
You know, if you said what line you are talking about here, it would help. |
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| Apr-11-05 | | Runemaster: <drukenknight> The line given in Boomie's post on 9th April, beginning 26.h3. |
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| Apr-11-05 | | drukenknight: okay then so it backs up Calli's idea on move 26; good to see after 2 years his suggestion appears to still hold up... |
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| Apr-13-05 | | Boomie: Here's a cool line in Calli's 26. h3 line. I was wondering if the queen sac would lead anywhere for black. It seems to arrive at equality but everyone loves a good queen sac.
26. h3 hxg3 27. hxg4 gxf2+ 28. ♔f1 ♘xg4 29. ♗f3 ♗f5 30. ♕c3 ♘f6 31. ♔xf2 ♖e8 32. ♕a5 a6 33. ♖g1 ♖fe7 34. ♕b4 g6 35. a4 ♖xe3 36. ♖g2 ♖8e7 37. a5 ♔f7 38. ♖g5 ♖d3 |
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| Mar-12-08 | | Tactic101: I don't like the moves cxd5 and f3. They just weaken the e-pawn, making it backward. Perhaps white should have tried a double stonewall with f4. It's not so prone to an easy attack by f4, as seen in the game. g5 is the only good break black would have at his disposal and that is with a fair amount of preparation and risk, considering he's breaking his kingside to attack white. Fritz says that Nh5 is even better than h5. I don't know why, but it seems that they have the same goal in mind: get rid of the g3 knight. Once this defender is rid off, then the kingside crumbles. It didn't help white that he had many pawn islands throughout the game. A great game by Botvinnik! |
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| Sep-03-11 | | karnak64: When Botvinnik sacs his queen that's a pretty good clue to give up, isn't it? |
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Jun-29-12
 | | keypusher: <offramp: <Sarimanok: 10 best games of Botvinnik please. :)> I don't think this should be in that group. Flohr took a 2-0 lead in this match. Bronstein says that "Flohr - who used to lose one game a year - suddenly lost two games in a week. Why? Because Grigory Abramovich Goldberg, Botvinnik's second for the match, had shown Flohr where to buy an extremely cheap fur coat!" - Sorcerer's Apprentice> A libel from Bronstein (against Botvinnik <and> Flohr) about a match that took place when he was nine? I'm shocked. |
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