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Nov-05-03 | | Diggitydawg: Open Defence, without consulting my books on the match, 33.d5 seems like a really weak move. On the other hand, 33.Ra1-a4 seems crushing. After the match, Tal joked, "now all those chessplayers can go back to calm positional chess again." Tal and Botvinnik are indeed a study in contrasts. In their play, Tal was the attacking, combinative genius, while Botvinnik was a deep, strategic player. In their personalities, Tal was very well-liked and gregarious. Botvinnik was always somewhat aloof. |
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Nov-06-03
 | | Open Defence: Hehehe, yeah, a champion can create fashion overnight they say.... what I like about Tal most of all is his modesty, he doesn't speak of his chess as if it is the best thing since sliced bread, further more when he plays a bad move he accepts that it was bad and doesnt try cover ups :-) |
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Oct-21-04 | | White Blood Cells: 7... d5! is a good move because Black can take on f1, losing possibilities of castling for white. 30... Rxb8?? 31. Ra6#. Black would've have resigned on move 26. Ra8+!. That move is unstoppable of losing Material or mating net. Good game! |
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Apr-10-06 | | DeepBlade: This is kinda funny, Botvinnik outplays Tal in Tal's own style. |
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Oct-17-06 | | Runemaster: <mahmoud> The threats are 34.Rb4# and 34.R5a4# Mate is unstoppable. |
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Feb-27-08
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Mar-23-08 | | Knight13: ...Qxa3 and then castle queen side (can't castle any side Tal made them too weak) is stupid. |
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Mar-24-08 | | talisman: yep but what else?♙-♔3...♗xk3Botvinnik says Tal goes for material knowing he's positionally lost. |
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Oct-26-08 | | Pyke: Botvinnik was very proud of the game; in his annotations he writes: <"From the character of the play, one might imagine that it was Tal playing White, and Botvinnik playing Black."> (from Return Match for the World Chess Championship, Tal - Botvinnik, 1961, p. 35) |
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Oct-26-08 | | HannibalSchlecter: Botvinnik pisses me off being proud of these games because his opponent was sick at the time. Each of these rematch games should contain an asterisk that says "* Tal played these games while ill." The people should know that while Tal was healthy, Botvinnik couldn't hold a candle to Tal. |
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Oct-26-08 | | Pyke: <HannibalSchlechter> Well, there's no doubt that Tal was ill for the return match. But in my opinion this does not entirely explain the outcome of the match. <1> Tal could have postponed the match. It's true that Botvinnik wanted a certificate by a doctor to ensure that Tal was truely ill. Tal, on hearing this, neglected the demand. Tal: "Never mind, I'll beat him as it is!" (OMGP II, p. 232) And so he had to play. <2> Tal himself writes, on the reasons why he lost - and one has to admire his honesty: "Seriously speaking, I was quite unprepared for the change which had taken place in Botvinnik. He arrived for the 1961 match extremely self-disciplined and aggressive, readily going in for a stormy position if it looked favourable for him, which he had not done in 1960. In the main one must look to the form of the winner to find an explanation for the result of the match." (Life and Games..., p. 175) So again, Tal was ill during the match. If he had been healthy the match certainly would have been a closer matter. But I think one cannot be sure whether the result would have changed. Further more I think that only speaking of Tal's illness belittles the achievements and the thorough preparation by Botvinnik. Even Tal suggested the "change" of Botvinnik (see above) No doubt Tal was better in 1960. But for 1961 I am not so sure. And a final thing. <HannibalSchlechter> I know that my post most probably won't change a thing concerning your views on the matter, but please watch your language and don't be rude. |
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Oct-26-08
 | | keypusher: Here is what Tal wrote about this game:
<Botvinnik played the whole of this game with youthful energy. What was characteristic was the following: prior to the return match I had never before adopted this system, and it could have been expected to have some surprise value, since in our preparation the possibility of the Saemisch Variation had been taken into account. However, White's tenth and eleventh moves (undoubtedly planned beforehand by Botvinnik) showed that my opponent had studied not only everything that thad already occurred, but everything that might occur.> |
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Oct-26-08 | | soberknight: Near the end, Black can't retake the bishop on b8 because he would get mated with Ra6. At first I didn't see it, so I'll point it out for the benefit of other weak players. :) Anyway the next few moves set up a mating net.
I've never seen any game with this hyper-aggressive variant of the Nimzo-Indian for White. |
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Oct-26-08 | | DarthStapler: Boo! I hate it when Tal loses |
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Oct-27-08 | | kevin86: The end is crystal-clear as it is brutal. The rooks will clamp on to Tal's king like a vise. No finesse here,just raw power. |
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Oct-27-08 | | HannibalSchlecter: Tal was being humble when he was praising Botvinnik, but the fact of the matter is in chess, perceptions are greatly skewed when you're sick and opponents seem much stronger than they really are. Congrats to Botvinnik for winning but shame on him for gloating over beating a man who was ill. |
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Oct-27-08 | | Tessie Tura: <Tal himself writes, on the reasons why he lost - and one has to admire his honesty: "Seriously speaking, I was quite unprepared for the change which had taken place in Botvinnik. He arrived for the 1961 match extremely self-disciplined and aggressive, readily going in for a stormy position if it looked favourable for him, which he had not done in 1960. In the main one must look to the form of the winner to find an explanation for the result of the match." (Life and Games..., p. 175)> It is true that Tal was not expecting to meet a rejuvenated Botvinnik, but I wouldn't use his candor and refusal to make excuses for himself as evidence that there were no such excuses to make. (I think he was quoted in later years as saying that he regretted not insisting on a postponement.) Brutal game. |
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Oct-28-08 | | HannibalSchlecter: <Pyke> We are no longer in the era of Botvinnik and the horn-rimmed glasses. In this day and age, the expression to be "pissed off" to my knowledge could only possibly be considered offensive at church. We are not at church, so kindly cram it. |
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Oct-29-08
 | | keypusher: <The people should know that while Tal was healthy, Botvinnik couldn't hold a candle to Tal.> Statements like this piss me off, as long as we are sharing our feelings. Botvinnik was 50 at the time of the rematch -- for perspective, that was Korchnoi's age at the time of the "Massacre in Merano," and seven years older than Kasparov was when he retired. Surely that would count as an "excuse," had Botvinnik needed one. Botvinnik was one of the greatest players of all time, and his career accomplishments exceed Tal's and most other world champions. Hate him all you want, but there was no one who ever played chess that Botvinnik <couldn't hold a candle to.> |
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Oct-31-08
 | | Benzol: A quote by Botvinnik from Genna Sosonko's book Russian Silouettes. "He was ill, you say? But he was ill all his life. And what in fact happened? Romanov called me to say that the match was to be postponed - Tal was ill. Is there an official doctor's statement? What doctor's statement? He says, he is ill. 'But there is a rule', I said, 'there must be a certificate'. We began shouting at each other. In the evening Romanov phoned me to say that the match was on. He had called Tal in Riga, to say that he should be officially examined, and Tal had refused.
'In general, after their matches with me, Bronstein, Smyslov and Tal no longer showed their former strength. I am to blame for this, since it was I who unclosed them, and then everyone understood how to play against them." |
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Jun-29-09 | | Everett: After '48, Botvinnik was only able to beat up those who had already proven they can embarrass him at the chess-board. Smyslov and Tal were not ambitious, and had done what they came to do. His accomplishments up to '48 are impressive... afterwards he rode the system to his benefit, albeit brilliantly. |
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Jun-29-09 | | Everett: <Benzol>
Thanks for that quote. In my eyes, Botvinnik's sentiments embarrass him. Here is someone who is getting a 2nd chance in every WC match, and he talks about "certificates" proving illness. His chess is often great, but his politics and use of placement in the "system" were truly disgusting, and he is no role model of mine. Tal, also, did himself no favors. Everyone says he had poor health, but he also is reported to have smoked and drank heavily. Seems he could be implicated in his own health. I find it remarkable that many chalk Tal's health to "bad luck," when humans time and again have proven to make their own. |
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Jun-29-09 | | ounos: I don't understand 11. ...c6. 11. Qd7 is developing, unpinning, and simplifying (alright, perhaps this last part didn't appeal to Tal). I really don't see any significant problem for Black. Do I miss something? |
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Jun-29-09 | | Everett: <Bronstein, Smyslov and Tal no longer showed their former strength> Because they couldn't use the system to keep their title, or to get second chances. Botvinnik himself didn't have to win it twice. The more I read of Botvinnik, the less respect I have of his opinions, and the more Bronstein's scathing writings about him, and the system that supported him, make sense. Finally Botvinnik never had to win a match to become champion. At least Karpov had to defeat Korchnoi over 24 games in '74. |
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Jun-30-09 | | visayanbraindoctor: <Everett> Botvinnik was probably the best tournament player in the world around 1944 to 1948. He would have had good chances of winning any tournament (even assuming that Keres was not throwing away games to him, but that's another story). The 1948 World Championship Event happened to be a tournament. And so Botvinnik won. <Finally Botvinnik never had to win a match to become champion.> I am interested in the numerous observations about this that I have read. Botvinnik for some reason was a poor match player. He lost more matches against top players than he won, and lost more games in those matches than he won. In spite of his marvelous tournament performances in the 1940s that bespeak of his greatness as a chessplayer, there is reason to believe that had the World Championship Event in 1948 been a series of matches, Botvinnik would have been in real trouble. |
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