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Aug-07-04
 | | beatgiant: 28. ♗xh7 looks like a miscalculation. Maybe he saw something like 28...g6 29. ♗g8 e5 30. ♖c2, threatening both 31. ♗xf7 and 31. ♖xc4+, but overlooked the simple 29...♖b8. Clearly White's under pressure, but can some more normal-looking move like 28. h4 hold the game? Or was White's fatal mistake much earlier, perhaps the whole plan of advancing the a-pawn so precipitously? |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: Reti month....Euwe demonstrates positional play as black. some nice comments from bg, here. I think alekhines problem is later than this though. How does he use his R in this endgame? when you put R on 7th rank what does it do? lately I have learned that such R can actually support two groups of pawns if they are on each side of the R. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | acirce: Reti month? This is not a Reti. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: but it starts out like it could. What is def'n of Reti anyhow? THe gambit, must take ...dxc4? Na3 is this mandatory? Have no idea. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | acirce: Not sure about exact definition, <AgentRgent> would be of better help, but this quickly becomes a QGD. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | azaris: Reti described his opening system in the book "Masters of the Chess Board". Basically it starts 1. ♘f3 d5 2. c4 and involves quick fianchettoing of both bishops and possibly b4 if suitable. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: well whatever. YOu just quote his first 3 ply as opening, this game has the same first three and it's NOT a Reti. Go figure. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: I am responding to different posters as one person. Not good. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: I would say fatal blunder came after move 28 because it seems Alekhine had completely lost his grasp between moves 28 and 33. Lets start w/ one suggestion, 29 h4 (in place of Kc2) and see where it leads. Capa. said the easiest way to exploit a pawn majority was to push the rook pawn. How do YOU think the 29 h4 line will go? |
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| Dec-07-04 | | Minor Piece Activity: 7. e3 was probably a better idea. The idea of 12. a4 to exchange bishops was suspect in light of 13...Ke7! and 15...Bd7. I would have played 12. Be3 |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: he didnt lose the game on move 7, try 29 h4 and see what you come up with... |
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| Dec-07-04 | | mystique.mystique: Bxf7 reminisces me of the blunder of the decade committed by Fischer with his match with Spassky in 1972. That blundere was Bxh2??? |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: it does, doesnt it? But that snatch happens so often, lots of times out of Benoni I think... |
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Dec-07-04
| | beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
<try 29 h4 and see what you come up with...>It's not obvious how White can safely get more than one pawn for the piece. Here's what I hope is a plausible sample line showing what White's up against. 29. h4 ♖d3+ 30. ♔c2 ♖d8 31. ♖a5+ ♔b4 32. ♖g5 ♗d3+ 33. ♔b2 ♖h8 34. ♗xg6 fg 35. ♖e5 ♖c8 36. ♖xe6 ♖c2+ and wins. Do you really see an improvement for White that offers a serious chance to save the game after he loses a bishop with 28. ♗xh7? |
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| Dec-07-04 | | drukenknight: NO, no! Play it like alekhine, start w/ your line but then: 31. Rb2 Rh8
32. Rb7 Rxh7
33. Rc7+
You are going to be hard pressed to make progress, my friend. But go ahead, I'm waiting... |
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Dec-07-04
| | beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
On 29. h4 ♖d3+ 30. ♔c2 ♖d8 31. ♖b2 , I'd suggest 31...♗xa6 32. h5 ♗d3+ 33. ♔c3 ♗f5 34. g4 ♗xg4 35. hg ♗f5 and the Bishop is still trapped. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | Calli: Bxh7 is not a blunder, just desperation. After Euwe's 27...Bc4! , the threat is Rxe3 and there isn't anything AA can do about it because moving the rook from a2 allows Rb2+ which is a disaster for white. |
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Dec-07-04
| | beatgiant: <Calli>:
<After Euwe's 27...Bc4! , the threat is Rxe3>That is why I earlier suggested 28. h4 so that on 28...♖xe3 29. ♔xe3 ♗xa2 30. ♗xh7 gets some kingside counterplay. |
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| Dec-07-04 | | Calli: <beatg> if 28.h4 then 28...f5 snuffs out all counterplay. Alekhine was trying to lure Euwe into something like: 28.Bxh7 Rxe3 29.fxe3 Bxa2 30.g4 Kb5 31.g5 Kxa6 32.h4 He knew how to stir up complications! |
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Dec-08-04
| | beatgiant: In light of the above discussion, perhaps the strategic decision point came with 19. a5? instead of 19. e3 . |
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| Dec-08-04 | | Minor Piece Activity: Doesn't he lose a pawn with 19. e3 beatgiant? |
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Dec-08-04
| | beatgiant: <Doesn't he lose a pawn with 19. e3 beatgiant?>
Black is forking two pawns, so it is a matter of choosing to lose the d-pawn or the a-pawn. The resulting position has equal pawns because White was a pawn up to begin with. The problem with choosing to save the a-pawn by 19. a5 is that the pawn remains weak and is lost later anyway. After 19. e3 ♖xa4 Black has winning chances because of the outside passed pawn, but White's pieces are well placed so the position looks drawable. |
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| Dec-08-04 | | Minor Piece Activity: Ooops, I see I misunderstood the point of your question. ;) I agree that 19. e3 may have been better. |
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| Dec-08-04 | | drukenknight: bg: in your line, what the heck is 34 g4? It should continue: 34. Rb7 Rd3+
35. Kb2 Rd2+
36. Ka1 Rxf2
37. Rxa7 gxh5
38. Rxf7 Kd5
39. Bg6 Ke4
40. Bxh5 Kxe3
41. Re7
This is draw, yes? |
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Dec-08-04
| | beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
In your earlier line, you gave 29. h4 ♖d3+ 30. ♔c2 ♖d8 31. ♖b2 ♖h8 32. ♖b7 ♖h8 33. ♖c7+ and "You are going to be hard pressed to make progress." What if Black then plays 33...♔b5 34. f4 e5 freeing the rook. A sample continuation like 35. ♔c3 ♗e6 36. ♖xa7 ♖h8 37. fe ♖c8+ 38. ♔d3 ♖c6 39. ♖b7+ ♔xa6 40. ♖b4 ♖b6 41. ♖f4 ♖b2 42. g4 ♖h2 shows Black having no difficulty making progress. You might be right about the other line with 31...♗xa6 . Black probably shouldn't let White save the bishop so easily. |
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