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| Oct-06-06 | | dakgootje: Gratz to the ones who actually got it. Twas too subtle for me ;-) |
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| Oct-06-06 | | rookattack: Wouldn't 22...Rc8 be a decent option for black? |
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| Oct-06-06 | | zb2cr: Count me in with the 25. Rd8 crowd. I had 26. Nh4 as the answer to 25. ... Kf8, but did not consider it as the primary move. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | awfulhangover: Nice, I found it! Well, it took many minutes. Didn't find any winning moves after Rd8 etc., so I realized that a knight to g6 would be crushing, and after seeing that black could not take on g5 or go to h7 after Nh4, the problem was solved! |
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| Oct-06-06 | | YouRang: Add me to the 25. Be7 people. It seemed to be the most direct, although I did miss <Sneaky>'s Nc6 line. Still, I think I could have won with Be7. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | Castle In The Sky: I had 25.Rd8.. and wanted to understand the solution so I Fritz'd it. Fritz had 25. Nh4 as the best move (+7.58) 25. Rd8 was the second best move at (+5.34) and 24. Be7 was the third best move at (+3.34). A line of play with 25. Nh4 might go...Re6 26.Rd8+ Kh7 27. Rxc8 Rxc6 28.Bxf7 Rc1+ |
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| Oct-06-06 | | alphee: I went for 21.Rd8 too and didn't think of Nh4 at this stage. It tends to prove that "when you have a good move look for a better one" is a gloden rule. Thanks for the challenging puzzle. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | TTLump: interesting how many of us chose 25.Be7 (myself included), but 25.Nh4 is really a variation on the same theme, it prepares the way for 26.Rd8! by aiming for control of the f8 square. Chessmaster chose 25.Nh4 at 3/7 ply, here is the line: 25. Nh4 hxg5
26. Rd8 Kh7
27. Bxf7 Re7
28. Bxg6+ Kh6
29. Rxc8 gxh4
30. Rh8+ Bxh8
31. c8=Q Kxg6
32. Qxh8 *
and here is the line after 25.Be7, which also wins, although not as quickly or decisively ... 25. Be7 Rxe7
26. Rd8+ Kh7
27. Rxc8 Nd6
28. Rd8 Rxc7
29. Bg8+ Kh8
30. Bd5+ Kh7
31. Rxd6 Rc1+
32. Kh2 Rc2
33. Be4 Rxb2
34. Bxg6+ Kg8
35. Rd8+ Bf8
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| Oct-06-06 | | The17thPawn: The amazing Geller strikes again. This guy has to be in the top ten of players who could have been world champion based on strength of play. I also rushed in with rook d8 and never considered Geller's elegant solution. |
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Oct-06-06
 | | pittpanther: In response to <Suzuki50> responding to <banjo> <If 25. Be7 then, 25... Rxe7 26. Rd8+ Kh7 27. Rxc8 Nd6, or 27. Bxf7 Rxc7.> After 27. Bxf7 Rxc7 white can play 28. Bg8 followed by 29. Be6 and win the bishop on c8 to go up a piece |
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Oct-06-06
 | | kevin86: A tough puzzle-Here,the very quiet Nh4 succeeds over the loud Rd8. The idea is to keep the black king from f8 by moving the knight to g6. (The bishop is expendable) When white guards f8-then and only then-does the Rd8 have its maximum effect. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | bsoda: why doesn't black play 21...hxBg5?? |
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| Oct-06-06 | | xfer: Whta's wrong with 25.Rd8? |
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| Oct-06-06 | | tjshann: Very nice move by Geller. Pribyl resigned on the spot, which I doubt would have occurred if the move had been Be7 or Rd8 |
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| Oct-06-06 | | patzer2: White's passer on c7 makes the surprise finish 25. Nh4! possible. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | Plato: 25.Nh4! is cute, but the simple 25.Rd8 wins all the same: 25... Kf8
26.Nh4 Nh8
27.Bd3 Kf7
28.Nxg6 and Black has no adequate defense to the threat of 29.Bc4ch |
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| Oct-06-06 | | GufeldStudent: Actually Rd8 is winning too, I believe. Rd8 Kf8 Nh4 Nh8 Bd3 hg5 Nxg6 Nxg6 (kf7 Bc4) Bxg6 |
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| Oct-06-06 | | TTLump: Yes, 25.Rd8 wins too and quite convincingly:
25. Rd8 Kf8
26. Nh4 Nh8
27. Bd3 Kf7
28. Nxg6 Nxg6
29. Bxg6+ Kxg6
30. Rxe8 Bd7
31. Rd8 Bf5
32. Be7 e4
33. Ba3 h5
34. c8=Q Bxc8
35. Rxc8 *
and White is a Rook ahead.
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| Oct-06-06 | | TTLump: <plato: : 25.Nh4! is cute, but the simple 25.Rd8 wins all the same:
25... Kf8
26.Nh4 Nh8
27.Bd3 Kf7
28.Nxg6 and Black has no adequate defense to the threat of 29.Bc4ch>so what does white do after?:
28. Nxg6 Nxg6
29. Bc4+? Kf8
(Chessmaster scores this position
-.30 at 7/11 ply in favor of Black!)
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| Oct-06-06 | | RandomVisitor: I think 25.Nh5, 25.Rd8 and 25.Be7 all win. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | YouRang: <bsoda: why doesn't black play 21...hxBg5??> Maybe he would have been better off if he did. But I suppose he didn't didn't like the look of 22. Nxg5 hitting the pinned knight and blocking his king's access to h7. Black's already cramped position becomes even more so, and the promotion threat remains. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | YouRang: <RandomVisitor: I think 25.Nh5, 25.Rd8 and 25.Be7 all win.> Yes (you mean <25. Nh4>). This all reflects the general suckiness of Black's position. :-) Already lost, he just needed a little convincing. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | Plato: <TTLump> Come on now. What I said was that Black has no adequate defense to the threat of 29.Bc4ch. What I did NOT say was that White plays 29.Bc4ch no matter what. So obviously if Black plays 28...Nxg6, White just responds with 29.Bxg6ch, winning. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | Trouble: 25. Rd8 also works and results in an extremely interesting combo after Kf8, Nh4 Nh8, Bd3 hxg5, Nxg6+ Nxg6, Bxg6 exploiting the double attack and pin on the rook on e8. |
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| Oct-06-06 | | Confuse: Ah Im a little late but thanks to everyone who posted continuations :D |
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