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Carl Schlechter vs David Janowski
Ostend (1906), Ostend BEL, rd 25, Jul-05
Vienna Game: Anderssen Defense (C25)  ·  1-0

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Oct-20-05
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  tamar: This was a showpiece game from Ostende 1906, but there has always been a question whether the knight sac 33 Nxg7 is sound.

Schlechter gives a line that looks very unclear.

" if 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 38 Qe3 and wins"

After 38...Bf5 I don't see how it is possible for White to win.

Oct-20-05  Kean: wow Schlechters play seems impressive. Janowski wasnt a piece of cake those days.
Oct-20-05  Calli: <Tamar> Its very surprising that Schlechter would choose the sac over the positional 33.Nd4 followed by b5 which looks right up his alley.
Oct-20-05
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  tamar: <...surprising that Schlechter would choose the sac over the positional 33.Nd4 followed by b5 which looks right up his alley.>

It would have taken great discipline to pass over the sacrifice, which seems to fail only in this one narrow line, but I agree that Schlechter normally did this better than his contemporaries.

Schlechter's notes show he had been thinking of the sac earlier, when it was very sound.

"If 29...Q-Q2 then KtxKtP etc, at once."

Psychologically, the many moves that the Black Queen took Qf6-d6-g6-d6-c5-c4-a6 only to end up out of play on a6 may have contributed to Schlechter's decision.

But even though the Queen is separated from the battle, Black's minor pieces and rooks defend quite well.

" if 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 38 Qe3 and wins"

but after 38...Bf5 39 g4 Be4+ 40 Kg1 h5! 41 f5 Bxf5 42 Rxc6 Rxc6 43 gxf5 Qc4 44 Qg5+ Ng6 45 fxg6 White's attack is stymied and the Black Queen and Rook overwhelm the exposed King. -3.56/15 Shredder 8

White can probably draw if he takes a less ambitious route though.

Oct-20-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar>
<White can probably draw if he takes a less ambitious route though.>

On 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 <38. Qb3> instead, White breaks through the c-file after 38...Bf5 39. b5 Qxb5 40. Qxb5 cxb5 41. g4 Be4+ 42. Kg1 Rg7 43. Rxg7+ Kxg7 44. Rc7+ and at least looks to be in no danger of losing.

Oct-21-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar>
What about 34...Kg8 <35. Rxc6!> so that 35...Rxc6 36. Bf7+ etc. wins quickly. Has Black got a defense?
Oct-21-05
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  tamar: <beatgiant> "What about 34...Kg8 <35. Rxc6!> so that 35...Rxc6 36. Bf7+ etc. wins quickly. Has Black got a defense?"

Indeed, that is a good question.

<35 Rxc6> I didn't notice that. It is quite a shot. Black must check on f1 and lose all his pawns in some variations. But his d pawn is very strong also.

I am staying in CA for awhile, and tried a borrowed Fritz 8 out on the position.

34...Kg8 35 Rxc6 Qf1+ 36 Kh2 Qxf4+ 37 Qxf4 Rxf4 38 Rxb6 d4 and it is an exciting race between Black's quick d pawn and White's 2 connected pairs of pawns.

I don't have a good feel for who is better.

Oct-22-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar>
Agreed, 34...Kg8 Rxc6 Qf1+ etc. is not a clear win for White.

Going back to Schlecter's published line, can you tell me why White plays 34...Kg8 35. Qc3 Rdd6 36. Qg3+ Rg6 37. Bxg6 Rxg6 38. Qe3 Bf5 39. g4 Be4+ <40. Kg1>, walking into a pin and allowing 40...h5! 41. f5 Bxf5, instead of <40. Kh2> h5 41. f5 and Black looks lost?

Oct-22-05
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  tamar: <Going back to Schlecter's published line, can you tell me why White plays 34...Kg8 35. Qc3 Rdd6 36. Qg3+ Rg6 37. Bxg6 Rxg6 38. Qe3 Bf5 39. g4 Be4+ <40. Kg1>, walking into a pin and allowing 40...h5! 41. f5 Bxf5, instead of <40. Kh2> h5 41. f5 and Black looks lost?>

Schlechter's line only went up to "38 Qe3 and wins" After 38...Bf5 39 g4 Be4+ 40 Kh2 Re6 41 Re6 Ne6 Black has some good winning chances, for example 42 Rxc6 Qf1 43 Rc8+ Kf7 44 Kg3 Qg2+ 45 Kh4 d4 Black's d pawn rather than the mating threats is most dangerous 46 Qg3 Qd2 47 g5 hg5 48 fg5 d3 and Black is winning.


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Oct-23-05
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  Chessical: Schlechter's imaginative combination does seem to fall short:

(1). <34...Kg8> 35.Qc3 Rdd6 36.Qg3+ Rg6 37.Bxg6 Rxg6 38.Qe3 Bf5 39.g4 Be4+ 40.Kh2 Re6! (stronger than <40...h5>) is advantageous for Black

(2).The alternative attack with 34...Kg8 35.Qc3 <35.Rxc6! - Beatgiant> may also fall short, 35...Qf1+ 36.Kh2 Qxf4+ 37.Qxf4 Rxf4 38.Rxh6 <d4!?> 39.Rxb6 d3 40.Bd1 d2 41.Bb3+ Be6 - with advantage to Black.

This apart, games such as these show that Schlechter's reputation as a <drawing master> is too simplistic.

Oct-28-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar, Chessical>
Agreed, I didn't find anything good for White after 34...Kg8 35. Rxc6 Qf1+ 36. Kh2 Qxf4+ 37.Qxf4 Rxf4.

But now I understand why <Kg1> is good in 34...Kg8 35. Qc3 Rdd6 36. Qg3+ Rg6 37. Bxg6 Rxg6 38. Qe3 Bf5 39. g4 Be4+ <40. Kg1>. It prevents 40...Re6 41. Rxe6 Nxe6 42. f5, and now White's attack on h6 gets in before Black's Qe2.

After that, if 40...h5 41. f5 Bxf5 (<tamar>), White has <42. Qe5!> Qd3 43. Rxc6, and it looks to me like Black has to take a perpetual with 43...Qd1+ 44. Kf2 Qd2+ 45. Kg1, thereby saving <Schlechter's reputation as a drawing master>!

Oct-28-05
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  tamar: <beatgiant> I was looking at the end of your line which began 34...Kg8 35. Qc3 Rdd6 36. Qg3+ Rg6 37. Bxg6 Rxg6 38. Qe3 Bf5 39. g4 Be4+ 40 Kg1 h5 41 f5 Bxf5 <42 Qe5>

Now Black can but does not have to take a perpetual with 42...Qd1+, but can try 42...Bxg4 with winning chances if he is adventurous.

43 hxg4 Qa3! 44 Rxc6 Rxg4+ 45 Kf2 Qa2 46 Qe2 Qb1 leads to a very perilous situation where Black's Queen and Rook win.

So maybe White must opt for 44 Qc3 and lose all his pawns, but retain his rooks on the seventh rank making victory very difficult for Black.

Oct-28-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar>
Good point, White is struggling here too.

How about my earlier suggestion of 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 <38. Qb3>, to answer 38...Bf5 with 39. b5, did you find a refutation of that too?

Oct-29-05
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  Chessical: <Beatgiant> Following your earlier suggestion:

<34...Kg8> 35.Qc3 Rdd6 36.Qg3+ Rg6 37.Bxg6 Rxg6 <38.Qb3>, perhaps <38...Be6> is best.

There is the poison of <39.Rxc6?> Qf1+ 40.Kh2 Rxg2 mate to keep White on the back foot.

Oct-29-05
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  beatgiant: <Chessical>
<perhaps <38...Be6> is best.>

Then of course White still carries out the b5 plan with a similar ending. 35.Qc3 Rdd6 36.Qg3+ Rg6 37.Bxg6 Rxg6 38.Qb3 Be6 39. b5 Qxb5 40. Qxb5, etc., or if Black avoids the queen trade then 39. ...axb5 40. Qf3 Rg7 41. Rxg7+ Kxg7 42. f5, etc. White looks fine to me.

Oct-29-05
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  tamar: <beatgiant> wrote:

<How about my earlier suggestion of 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 "38. Qb3", to answer 38...Bf5 with 39. b5, did you find a refutation of that too?>

No refutation, but the lack of play is dreary for White after after 38...Bf5 39 b5 Qxb5 40 Qxb5 cxb5 41 g4 Be4+ 42 Kg1 h5

or

Against 38...Be6 < the move recommended by Chessical> 39 b5 Qxb5 40 Qxb5 cxb5 41 g4 d4 42 f5 Bd5+ 43 Kg1 Rd6 looks like a line worth investigating.

Oct-30-05
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  beatgiant: <tamar>
In this case, after 34...Kg8 35 Qc3 Rdd6 36 Qg3+ Rg6 37 Bxg6 Rxg6 38. Qb3 Bf5 39. b5 Qxb5 40. Qxb5 cxb5 41. g4 Be4+, White should play <42. Kh2> to allow 42...h5 43. Kg3.

If here 38...Bf5 39. b5 Qxb5 40. Qxb5 cxb5 41. g4 d4 42. f5 Bd5+ 43. Kg1 Rd6 <44. Kf2> and White's king can catch the d-pawn, Black's king and knight are passive and White still has the kingside pawns to play with. I don't think White should lose this kind of endgame.

Oct-30-05
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  tamar: Janowski went down twice at Ostend to Schlechter, each time to a combination, which must have been a bitter pill.

Schlechter's impressive score 15 wins 12 draws and 3 losses though, was not that of a drawing master.

Lasker speaks about Schlechter's "charming an attack out of almost nothing" in ref to another of his wins at Ostend Rubinstein vs Schlechter, 1906

Jul-28-20  Straclonoor: Very interesting game!
After deep analysis by Stockfisch it seems no remorse for black after 34...Kg8.

34....Kh8 worse, of course

Analysis by Stockfish 060620 64 BMI2:

1. +- (5.08): 34...Kg8 35.Qe1 Rdd6 36.Rc3 Bf5 37.Rg3+ Bg6 38.Bxg6 Nxg6 39.Re8+ Kh7 40.Rf3 Rf5 41.g4 Rff6 42.f5 Qc4 43.Kg2 Nf8 44.Qe7+ Kg8 45.Rxf8+ Rxf8 46.Qxd6 Qe2+ 47.Rf2 Qe4+ 48.Kh2 Qe3 49.Rg2 Rf7 50.b5 c5 51.Qxd5 Qf4+ 52.Rg3 Qf2+ 53.Qg2 Qf4 54.Qa8+ Kh7 55.Qf3 Qd2+ 56.Rg2 Qd6+ 57.Qg3 Qd4 58.Re2 h5 59.Qe5 hxg4 60.Qxd4 g3+ 61.Kxg3 cxd4 62.Re6 Rxf5 63.a4 Rf1 64.Rd6 Ra1 65.Rxd4 Kg7 66.Kf4 Kf7 67.h4 Rh1 68.Ke5 Ke7 69.Kf5 Rf1+ 70.Kg5 Ke6 71.h5 Rf5+ 72.Kg4 Rf8 73.Rc4 Rg8+ 74.Kf4 Rf8+ 75.Ke4

2. +- (24.10): 34...Kh8 35.Qd4 Rdd6 36.Rf7 Nh7 37.Re1 Bd7 38.f5 Qc8 39.Bg6 Kg8 40.Ree7 Rxf7 41.Bxf7+ Kf8 42.Qe5 Qb8 43.Bh5 Rf6 44.Qxb8+ Kxe7 45.Qe5+ Kd8 46.Bg6 Rxf5 47.Bxf5 Nf8 48.Qf6+ Ke8 49.Bxd7+ Nxd7 50.Qxc6 Kd8 51.Qxd5 Kc7 52.Qc4+ Kd6 53.Qf4+ Ke7 54.Qe4+ Kd8 55.Qh4+ Ke8 56.Qd4 Ke7 57.Qg7+ Kd8 58.Qh8+ Ke7 59.Qh7+ Ke8 60.Qg8+ Ke7 61.Qg6 Kd8 62.Qe4 Kc7 63.Qd5 Nb8 64.Qe5+ Kc8 65.Qc3+ Kd8 66.Qf6+ Kd7 67.Qd4+ Kc6 68.Qe5 Kb7 69.Qg7+ Kc8 70.Qxh6 Nd7 71.Qc1+ Kd8 72.Qc6 Ke7 73.Qe4+ Kd8 74.Qh4+ Kc7

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