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Garry Kasparov vs Ennio Arlandi
Global satellite simul, 10b (1988) (exhibition), Cannes FRA, Feb-14
English Opening: Symmetrical. Anti-Benoni Variation Spielmann Defense (A33)  ·  1-0

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Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: I deleted a duplicate of this game that differed only in the final move: <26.Rdg5> when <26...Ne7> complicates matters. On that basis alone, I favour this finale.
Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000111: I love the logic here in <Missy>-land.

No discussion of what sources have what moves, or which sources are more reliable, and why?

Do non-editors even get a hint as to the history of the published games here on <CG>, or what was in deleted pages?

What kind of process is being followed?

Oh, I get it, let's give the keys to <Missy> and just be done with it.

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: Oh, and seeing as <Missy> was involved, I might expect a Source tag for the game.

Where is it?

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Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: The name <Z legend 000000101> has been added to my notebook.
Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: <As some day it may hapen that a victom must be found. I've got a little list. I've got a little list, of society offenders who might well be underground who would never be missed who would never be missed. There is the pestulentual nucences who whrite for autographs, all people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs. All children who are up in dates and implore you with im platt. All people who are shakeing hands shake hands like that. And all third persons who with unspoiling take thoes who insist. They'd none of them be missed. They'd none of them be missed. There's a banjo seranader and the others of his race and the piano orginast I got him on the list. All people who eat pepermint and phomphit in your face, they would never be missed They would never be missed And the Idiout who phraises with inthusastic tone of centuries but this and every country but his own. And the lady from the provences who dress like a guy who doesn't cry and the singurly abnormily the girl who never kissed. I don't think she would be missed Im shure she wouldn't be missed. And that nice impriest that is rather rife the judicial hummerest I've got him on the list. All funny fellows, commic men and clowns of private life. They'd none of them be missed. They'd none of them be missed. And uncompromising kind such as wachmacallit, thingmebob, and like wise, well - - nevermind, and tut tut tut tut, and whashisname, and you know who, but the task of filling up the blanks I rather leave up to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you place upon the list, for none of them be missed, none of them be missed.>

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Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: Are you expecting me to add sources for all 976,000 games?
Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Retireborn: <Z> I have six names on my ignore list and they all seem to be variations of <legend in his own lunch hour>.

Oblige me by not creating any more identities.

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: Sorry <R>, can't do.

Susan told us to "have fun" after all, and I don't really have a choice, given the asymmetry.

If I knew the rules were fair, I'd be more sympathetic.

For you it's a quick scroll; for me, it's my "freedom of speech".

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: OK, let's do some chess here...

People are looking at an engine, and deciding 25.Rf5 is clearly the move that Kasparov made.

At least, I think that's what they're doing. As if it's clearly winning and was the obvious move to make.

But I don't think it is... the game allows Black his complications even if 26.Rf5, though the eval clearly is winning. What is the play after, e.g. 26.Rf5 Rb4:


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I think there's some complexities here as well.

Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

It may be something as simple as <z> monetizing himself?

Aren't all those aliases convertible to bar codes? I think every time you click on a page that has one of the "z codes" he gets a quarter.

I haven't done any serious investigation, but I would be surprised if I were wrong.

Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Z legend 000000101> On 25. Rf5 Rb4, <26. Rxf7> looks like an immediate win with no engine required. Am I wrong?
Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: Oh, I should explain...

<Zanzibar> and all my handles are "censored"(*).

So I get one, or a handful of posts / day on each account, if I'm lucky.

Given I have so much to offer <CG> (in both wanted and unwanted departments), I have to move from one account to another to get a post in.

I'm committed to the political stuff, but when I want to historically contribute I get throttled down as well.

(*) Why should my posts get whacked, but not those on the right, who I think are "gaming" the system with sock-armies?

Anyways, I try to recycle the old handles, but it's a chore. Especially as <CG> lets you compose an entire message and only after posting informs you that you're being throttled.

I apologize(+), but like I said, it's easy enough to scroll over these posts (most of which aren't really offensive). It's a temporary situation, though I intend to stick it out, at least until <CG> is willing to be transparent about the algorithms used.

(+) As few have been targeted, I doubt you can really sympathize - so I ask a small measure of patience.

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Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: <beatgiant> Yes, but it's an endgame win, not a mate, right?

In other words, let's have a few more moves in the variation.

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: Also, 27.Rxf7, though winning, isn't White's best either. What is?

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Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: (Maybe I'm over thinking the defense...)
Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Z legend 000000101> If you need me to spell it out, it would go 26. Rf5 Rb4 27. Rxf7 Rxg4 28. Rxf8+ Kg7 29. Rg8+ Kxh6 30. Rxg4, which all looks forced and straightforward. Black loses the exchange and yes, that's <an endgame win, not a mate> but it's resignable, even in a simul (unless you're an incarnation of <drukenknight>).

If you see something even better for White there, please post it. But even if true, I don't see how that could possibly add to the likelihood of the 26. Rdg5 version over 26. Rf5.

Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <People are looking at an engine, and deciding 25.Rf5 is clearly the move that Kasparov made.>

You appear to think laying hands on original sources for these Kasparov simul games is a relatively straightforward matter. I don't share your optimism. And this is hardly an isolated example. Failing that, I contend it can be reasonable to make a decision based on the play itself. I judge it much more likely that a top junior would resign after 26.Rf5 than 26.Rdg5 because ...Ne7 shouldn't be a move that a player of that class (let alone Kasparov) would overlook.

<Do non-editors even get a hint as to the history of the published games here on <CG>, or what was in deleted pages?>

Surprise, surprise, editors don't get them either. That's why in this case, I made a public record of the fact that there was an alternate ending. I'm trying to work with the tools I'm given. If you don't like it, well, tough.

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: <MissS> yes, you did a good job here, and it's me who's come across as strident, apologies.

<beatgiant> yes, you're right of course. The skewer isn't so hard to find. I just like to fatten out the play, apologies.

FWIW - 26.f4 sets up some nice play for White as well, one variation has a nice smothered mate.

I had a little historical comment/sourcing to discuss, but for another time.

Feb-18-21
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  MissScarlett: It would be well for two signs to be affixed above the entrance to the <Biographer Bistro>:

<A̶b̶a̶n̶d̶o̶n̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶y̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶e̶r̶.̶>

<The harvest is great, yet the labourers are few.>

<Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.>

Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Z legend 000000101> On 26. Rf5 Rb4 27. f4 Re4 28. Rxf7 R4e8 29. Rfg7 <Nd8>, I thought Black was preventing the mate threats, but actually White can renew them with <30. f5> and the further advance of the f-pawn, so you were right about that. It's a lot stronger than the line I posted above.

If you can make a good case that it's resignable after 26. Rdg5 Ne7, I'd be very interested.

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: I don't think I ever said White has a win after 26.Rdg5, but I did try to engine-plod my way to anything of interest - no go.

As <Missy> pointed out, 26...Ne7 (protecting g8, and then to g6) shuts White right down.

The best play seems to be a 2 vs 1 edge for White, but with both rooks on the board it's a draw.

(Where is <whiteshark>'s RR vs RR discussions when ya need it?)

Feb-18-21  Z legend 000000101: <beatgiant> you can just call me Z, btw. If you prefer, of course. Thanks.
Feb-19-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: <MissScarlett>: As my wife and I get older, we appreciate seeing two signs at the entrance:

- Women

- Men

Oct-29-22
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  fredthebear: A CG statement says that numerous Z accounts such as this <Z legend 000000101> and <Z legend 000000111> have been disabled.

From above:
<Feb-18-21 Retireborn: <Z> I have six names on my ignore list and they all seem to be variations of <legend in his own lunch hour>. Oblige me by not creating any more identities.>

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