| Mar-03-09 | | PeterB: Is 20...g5 the correct move? My copy of Keres' collected games gives 20...g6, which would allow White to win a pice after 21.Rd1! |
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| Jul-31-12 | | Poisonpawns: Chessgames Error alert:I also have a different source that also says 20..g6 (MCO-13) |
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| Jul-31-12 | | Robed.Bishop: That helps make the result a bit clearer. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | perfidious: Here's a source which corroborates the first two kibitzes; I submitted a correction. http://www.365chess.com/view_game.p... |
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| Nov-16-13 | | zydeco: 21....g6 is a horrible blunder, but black's in a bad position: if 21.....c5 22.Bf5 Bc6 23.Rd1 Rd8 24.Rd6. Probably he has to find a way to give up a pawn and somewhat activate his pieces. Black's real problem is the sloppy 17....Rfe8. After 17....Rae8 black meets 18.Bf4 with .....Bd8, so maybe the game goes 18.Nxf6+ Nxf6 19.Bf4 Nd5 (better than 19.....c5 20.Bd6 Rxe1+ 21.Rxe1 Rc8 22.Re7 Bd5 23.Bxd5 Nxd5 24.Ra7) 20.Bxd5 Bxd5 21.Bxc7 and black's down a pawn but has a bishop of opposite colors endgame. |
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Nov-16-13
| | perfidious: If Benko was indeed in a bad position-and I do not disagree with this view-then it is difficult to label any move a horrible blunder. |
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| Nov-16-13 | | waustad: Although I do not doubt that the move in question has been corrected, I do not consider chess365 a very authoritative source, though it is a very useful one to which I often refer. I've run across too many implausable moves there to believe it as the "truth." Perhaps my attitude is in part due to having looked at some youth games from Goa that were utterly preposterous. I've seen other problems but that was the worst so far. There's gold there, but the pyrite is plentiful too. Also, once a mistaken score is published it tends to spread all over. The view that ,"9 places copied it therefore it's true," is one of the sad features of the net. |
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Nov-16-13
| | perfidious: <waustad>: One of my own games on various sites has long been erroneously listed as a loss to Igor Ivanov. While I lost my only serious meeting with him, the game in question was actually my first go at it with Alexander Ivanov, now correctly given by CG. Inter alia, I have corrected numerous errors involving Fernandez/Fernandes and Fernandez/Morovic Fernandez via 365chess, so it is indeed the case that the site has its uses. Caution, as always, is my watchword, and I do not submit a correction to CG unless I have what I consider a reasonable amount of certitude that a game actually belongs to one player vis-à-vis another. |
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| Nov-16-13 | | waustad: <perfidious>I was not questioning your research but merely issuing a caution. There are some games there that make no sense at all. That being said, I use it regularly, but with a grain of salt. |
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| Nov-16-13 | | waustad: That is also why I've never posted a game directly from there unless I've found another site that I consider closer to the original source. I tend to trust chess-results.com more, though like everywhere we get idiotic last moves that happen due to DGT peculiarities. Do you trust chess-results.com more? It is closer to the source so I usually do, except for silly last moves. |
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| Nov-16-13 | | waustad: That should have been terser. It's getting to be the time of night to shut up. |
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Nov-17-13
| | perfidious: <waustad>: Matter of fact, I was agreeing with you, even if it may not have come off that way. It is regrettable that, as you say, there are some games on 365 which are indeed nonsensical-same as some of my time scrambles, back in the day! |
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