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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Frank Marshall
"Novelty Gift" (game of the day Jan-15-2018)
New York (1918), New York, NY USA, rd 1, Oct-23
Spanish Game: Marshall Attack. Original Marshall Attack (C89)  ·  1-0



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Jan-15-18  WorstPlayerEver: PS But, obviously, the article is not hostile to women... hell no!
Jan-15-18  thegoodanarchist: <offramp: He must be getting pretty fed up in there, and I bet the Ecuadoids are pretty fed up of him.>

So folks from Ecuador are called Ecuadoids? Good to know!

(I thought it was Ecuadudlians)

Jan-17-18  Sally Simpson: ChessBase have now pick up the Assange message.

it's obvious, he is planning to escape and fly to Cuba.

May-24-18  bobbyperezchess: 11...Nf6?! is risky.

Better moves are 11...c6! and the calmer 11...Bb7!? . However, those moves aren't still known in that era! 11...c6 became the main line of the Marshall after Spassky popularized the ...c6 Marshall and used it as a drawing weapon, while the queenside-attacking plan by playing 11...Bb7 12.Qf3 Bd6! 13.Bxd5 c6 14.Re1 cxd5 15.d4 Qc7 16.h3/g3 Rae8 is slightly newer.

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  ketchuplover: Today is the 100th anniversary of this skirmish.
Oct-24-18  Granny O Doul: Just as the Battle of Sharqat was opening in Mesopotamia.
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  MissScarlett: <Soltis in the Marshall book mentions that Ed Lasker was astonished to learn from Emanuel Lasker whilst they were walking in a garden during the New York 1924 tourney that Lasker (the good one) had never seen nor heard of the Marshal Gambit (Capa v Marshall played in 1918).>

Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018) (kibitz #3252)

By 1926, he wasn't much the wiser: Lasker vs H R Bigelow, 1926

I do find it surprising how long it took the Marshall to gain theoretical respectability, even given the post-war hangover. One would have thought the hyper-moderns would've been all over it - maybe the Ruy Lopez was too venerable an institution. The DB has only a handful of master-level examples from the 1920s, although there must be quite a few more. One such is <Yates - O'Hanlon, British ch, 1921, 1-0>, where O'Hanlon's try 20...Qxc1 is actually worse than Marshall's 20...Bxf2, but Yates's play also suggests he hadn't analysed it to any great depth.

Dec-08-18  Retireborn: <MissS> Interesting story. Perhaps Lasker did heed Edward's warning, given that he reverted to his good old 4.Bxc6 against Marshall at NY 1924 (which also seems to be the last time he played it.)
Dec-08-18  john barleycorn: <MissScarlett: <Soltis in the Marshall book mentions that Ed Lasker was astonished to learn from Emanuel Lasker whilst they were walking in a garden during the New York 1924 tourney that Lasker (the good one) had never seen nor heard of the Marshal Gambit (Capa v Marshall played in 1918).>...>

Believe Soltis or not. I don't.

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  MissScarlett: I can't believe you don't believe Soltis believes Edward Lasker not believing Emanuel Lasker.
Dec-08-18  Sally Simpson: ***

it is on page 265 of the Soltis book, Soltis lists 'Chess Secrets 'by Edward Lasker in the bibliography but does not link this piece to any particular source.

It may be in 'Chess Secrets,' I read it about 40 years ago, (something like that tale rings a bell, though I have to admit the only bells I hear these days is nursey coming with my meds) have a copy somewhere I'll dig it out when I have time. (the grand kids are up....funny how they only do a surprise visit just before Christmas.)


Dec-08-18  john barleycorn: <MissScarlett: I can't believe ...> well, even you have your limits
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  MissScarlett: Didn't you believe I was <Daniel Freeman>'s mum?
Dec-08-18  zanzibar: <Sally ... funny how they [i.e. the grandkids] only do a surprise visit just before Christmas.> Ha!
Dec-08-18  john barleycorn: <MissScarlett: Didn't you believe I was <Daniel Freeman>'s mum?>

NO. (capital letters). You are simply not bright enough to make an intelligent baby.

Dec-16-18  mifralu: According to the BDE, Capablanca won after 38 moves. Additional moves < 36. ...Rxf7 37. b8=Q+ Kh7 38. Rxh6+ 1-0

White 2h 6 min
Black 2h 26 min >

Dec-30-18  HarryP: Marshall lost, but this game was a testament to his courage and inventiveness. It was a heroic loss.
Apr-11-19  Ron: Assange had tweeted a position from this famous game.

Capablaca weathered the storm in this game. Assange was mistaken in thinking that he weathered the storm against him.

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  MissScarlett: C.N. 11754, the latest addition to, quotes Shipley effectively in support of Marshall's later contention (in the March 1943 Chess Review) that he had been toying with the Marshall Gambit for years before this game.

Doesn't this mean that the now derided myth (see Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 (kibitz #21)) that Marshall stored this debut up for a long time is substantively, even, one might say, essentially true? I don't find it too great a leap of the imagination to believe that he did indeed have Capablanca as his eventual target.

Jun-19-20  wordfunph: "I thought for a little while...knowing that I would be subjected to a dangerous attack, all the lines of which would be of necessity familiar to my adversary. The lust of battle, however, had been aroused within me. I felt that my judgment and skill were being challenged by a player who had every reason to fear both. I considered the position then and decided that I was in honor bound, so to speak, to take the P and accept the challenge, as my knowledge and judgment told me that my position should then be defensible."

- Jose Raul Capablanca

Source: Chess Life 1985 September

Jul-03-21  bkpov: In 30 odd years of his career, he lost very few of serious games. How many of these losses were in his early and late career?
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  beatgiant: <bkpov>
The only serious events in which Capablanca lost more than 2 games are Capablanca - Corzo (1901) (3 losses), Capablanca - Alekhine World Championship Match (1927) (6 losses) and AVRO (1938) (4 losses).

Those were his first, near the middle, and last events.

Jul-03-21  RookFile: Marshall was a profound opening analyst and this is just one example of many. His book on his 50 years in chess has a whole section just devoted to opening analysis.
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  kingscrusher: It seems that Capablanca's 16.Re2 move is the move favored by Stockfish 15:

187: Jose Raul Capablanca - Frank James Marshall 1-0 1.0, New York New York, NY USA 1918

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Analysis by Stockfish 15 - 3 threads max:

1. +- (2.24): 16.Re2 Bxh3 17.gxh3 Nxh3+ 18.Kg2 Ng5 19.Bxg5 Qxg5+ 20.Kf2 Bf4 21.Na3 Rae8 22.Rae1 Rxe2+ 23.Rxe2 g6 24.Nc2 Bd6 25.Nb4 c5 26.Nxa6 c4 27.Bc2 Rd8 28.Nc5 Bxc5 29.dxc5 Qxc5+ 30.Qe3 Qxe3+ 31.Kxe3 f5 32.a4 bxa4

Maybe some major engine analysts can check this because according to John Nunn some time back:, Bd2 was thought the strongest

Interesting position indeed :)

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  Volcach: Instructive moments for me:

<14 Qf3!> Great patience and composure. The knight looks terrifying but isn't actualy threatening anything yet. Trying to deal with him too soon could cause actual problems though.

<16 Re2!> Again, super controlled. The game can quickly spiral into even greater mayhem is Qxf2 with Bh2+ and Bg3 coming in to net some material back with White's king protection completely stripped.

<21 Bd2!> Amazing move that's hard to spot at first. I'd be damned if I let that active Black Bishop get away. But the Black Queen cannot be allowed to infiltrate down the first rank. AFter Qxc1 pinning the knight, the b2 plan will probably fall and the trapped a1 Rook will be won.

A very interesting and instructive famous game. I'll commit this one to memory for sure.

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