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Michael Basman vs Tony Miles
"Cops and Grobbers" (game of the day Jul-09-2004)
Manchester Benedictine Open (1981), Manchester ENG, rd 4, Sep-07
Grob Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1



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Jul-09-04  kevin86: The Spike opening is a good way to open up the knight file,but black is quick to move an attack-a bigger and stronger one with many pieces---including two leaping knight that "need no stinking open files".
Jul-09-04  ruylopez900: Very nice game between the masters of A00 :)
Jul-09-04  PawnBlock: Suprised there was no comment about actinia's reply to weary willy.

Well, I thought it was funny actinia!


Jul-09-04  AgentRgent: I was busy appreciating weary willy's subtle humor.
Jul-09-04  kevin86: <weary willy> delayed From gambit-only a fool would play that! lol

An even better idea:Bird's opening,exchange variation 1f4 e5 2g3 exf4 3gxf4 ♕h4 etc

Jul-09-04  ConspTheory06: Can anyone tell me why white shouldnt play 11.Bxc6? It looks like black drops a piece??
Jul-09-04  molinov: do not forget the rook on h1.
Jul-09-04  DanielBryant: Was Miles a police officer?
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  Hanada: <Resignation Trap>

You are incorrest on your naming of the line...1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 dxc4 4. Bxb7 Nd7 5. Bxa8 Qxa8. It is not called the Romsford Counter Gambit. The Romsford requires not 3)...dxc4, but 3)...d4 pushing the pawn into the enemy camp and hindering the development of the knight.

Not sure if dxc4 has a name but I use it in blitz on occasion.

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This line talks about the Zilbermint Gambit, which is also different from "Bg2 Bxg4 c4 dxc4 Bxb7 Nd7 Bxa8 ".

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  ray keene: actually tony miles and i had a race to see who cd beat basman fastest in this tournament with black if he opened 1g4-and i won by one move -basman resigned on move 20 in our game and after blacks 21st in tonys game!!the grob really is the worst possible opening.
Jul-09-04  ajile: How about 14. QxN instead of h5?
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  samvega: 14.QxN I think could be met by Honza Cervenka's suggestion of 14..Bf4. (Which makes it all the more surprising that Miles didn't play 14..Bf4 ...)

14..Nf4 sets up a possible trap: 15.Qxe5 Nd3+ 16.ed Re8

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  tpstar: You came to see the Grobscene/I know it isn't your scene/It's better than a sex scene/And it's so ... obscene, obscene, yeah!

Be obscene, baby, and not heard

Jul-10-04  Seraphina: To ChessPatch: Actually I found a neat little book by Raymond Keene that gives some basics and their variations and talks about the point of the openings. I got it from my local library. The other book I like is Rueben Fine's "the ideas behind chess openings" which may be old, but so is my car and it works too. Start from there, and work your way up the ladder.
Jul-16-04  Leviathan: I completely agree with Mr.Keene: 1.g4 is nothing but a trap for beginners, without any strategic purposes.

I am very surprised by some good players who waste their talent in playing such a bad opening.

See Basman's games for example: he is a good middle game player, but he plays always disadvantaged because of his "trademark" 1.g4 :)

Jan-28-05  aw1988: LOL, the delayed From's Gambit. That is a gifted joke.
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  Jonathan Sarfati: <Resignation Trap>, normally 3...d4 is called the Romford, and it seems to give Black very good play for the exchange.
Mar-22-09  TheTamale: The Grob can be a devastating attacking weapon, but a single misstep and you can get roasted quickly. Here's a short game where I outplay my opponent every step of the way only to blow it on the last move:

1. g4! Nc6? (mindless development will get you nowhere against the Grob!); 2. Bg2 h5?! 3. h3 e5? (can't he see the bishop can remove this pawn's defender at will?); 4. Bxc6! dxc6; 5. Nf3! e4?!; 6. Ne5 hxg? (pawn grabbing instead of completing his development); 7. hxg Rxh1#

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  playground player: Playing the Grob against Miles??? Mr. Miles knew a thing or two about kinky openings, didn't he?
Jan-04-10  alexrawlings: Would 5 Bxc6 not be a good move here, giving black triple isolated pawns?
Jan-04-10  jahhaj: <alexrawlings> Basman has played 5.Bxc6 as well M Basman vs A Summerscale, 1989.

Looks to me that it gives up a good piece for a less good one, but what do I know.

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  takchess: Study this game for Grob Defensive ideas .
Apr-04-11  picard: <ray keene> I'll beat you with the grob any day, good sir. Just because you can't play it does not mean it is terrible.
Mar-14-17  Albion 1959: Mickey takes his hat off ! A Mickey mouse opening gets the treatment it deserves. Basman is a tricky player with his offbeat unorthodox opening lines, which work against players of similar strength as well as weaker ones. But ultimately he comes unstuck against stronger opposition like GM's, rather than the fodder he meets in weekend congresses and rapid plays. These guys have a little bit more in the tank and know how deal with the Basman style. Could you imagine how Kasparov would have handled this type of opening ? He would have torn this Mickey Mouse opening and Basman to pieces ! The Grob is an okay weapon at the lower end of the chess scale and has some popularity with club players but it has got to be unsound. If it was that good the super GM's and maybe even Carlsen would be using it:
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