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| Dec-12-21 | | Brenin: 18 Rxd5+ Nxd5 19 Qxd5+ is an obvious start. After 19 ... Kc7 (not 19 ... Bd7 20 Qxd7 mate) I intended 20 Bf4+ Kb6 21 Be3+ Kc7 (Ka6 22 Qxc4+) 22 Qf7+, and after 19 ... Ke7 20 Bg5, e.g. 20 ... Qd2+ 21 Bxd2 cxd2+ 22 Qxd2 Kxf6 23 Qc3+ Ne5 24 f4 Re8 25 fxe5+ Rxe5 26 0-0+ Ke6 27 Bg4+ with what looks like a mating attack. I'm not convinced, but OTB I'd find this hard to resist. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | Brenin: 17 ... dxc3 looks like a brave decision, as Sir Humphrey used to say in "Yes, Minister" when he wished to scare his political boss, Jim Hacker, off an idea. 17 ... Be6, protecting the d-pawn, followed by 18 ... Qg6, might have been a safer course of action. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | raymondhow: I got the first three moves, then wanted to play 21.Bg5+ which apparently wins but not as convincingly. I'll call it half credit on a Sunday. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | mel gibson: I saw that almost straight away -
it was not difficult.
Stockfish 14 says:
18. Rxd5+
(18. Rxd5+ (♖b5xd5+
♘e7xd5 ♕h5xd5+ ♔d8-e7 ♕d5-c5+ ♔e7-f7 ♗e2-h5+ ♔f7xf6 ♕c5-g5+ ♔f6-e6 ♗h5-g4+
♔e6-f7 ♕g5-d5+ ♔f7-e8 ♗g4-h5+ ♕c2-g6 ♗d2xc3 ♖h8-f8 ♗h5xg6+ h7xg6 O-O ♖f8-f7
♕d5xc4 a7-a5 ♖f1-e1+ ♖f7-e7 ♕c4-g8+ ♔e8-d7 ♖e1-c1 ♔d7-c7 ♕g8xg6 ♖e7-e6
♕g6-g5 b7-b6 h4-h5 ♔c7-b7 h5-h6 ♔b7-a6 h6-h7 ♗c8-b7 ♖c1-b1 ♘c6-a7 ♕g5-f5
♖e6-d6 ♕f5-e5 ♖d6-g6 ♖b1xb6+ ♔a6xb6 ♕e5-d4+ ♔b6-c6 ♕d4-c4+ ♔c6-d6 ♕c4-d3+
♗b7-d5 ♕d3xg6+ ♗d5-e6 ♕g6-f6 ♘a7-c6 ♔g1-h2 a5-a4 ♕f6-f3 ♗e6-d5 ♕f3-g3+
♔d6-c5 ♗c3-f6 ♔c5-b6 ♕g3-g7) +8.75/39 439)
score for White +8.75 depth 39. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | areknames: < Despite winning Shirov criticizes his 11. Rb1> I agree, the whole point of Nh2 imust surely be to open a path for the queen, so why not 11.Qh5+? <and then questions 14...e5> Unnecessarily opening the position. 14..Qxc2 looks better. <after 17...dxc3 black "gets mated virtually by force,"> Well, that's just asking for it, isn't it? Another Weird Winawer, such a bloody difficult opening to negotiate with either colour yet I always loved it. Great POTD, hardly insane though. |
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Dec-12-21
 | | louispaulsen88888888: The first move that comes to mind is RxPch. I think I would have played it without working it all out. But sometimes I do that and the opponent finds a defense! Better to calculate than be lazy. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | MisterFreeeze53: I picked every move, very seldom for me. Every one needed to be a check. |
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Dec-12-21
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: For Shirov, a mating attack "virtually by force." For me, a speculative sacrifice that would have proven irresistibly tempting. |
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Dec-12-21
| | ajk68: Black taking the knight at f6 seems wrong intuitively and with some mental calculation - and the computer backs that up. Often in these positions the knight will offer some additional cover - especially with the bishops poised to start taking diagonals. It's not enough of a difference to change the outcome of the game, but it is less likely to lead to an immediate mate. |
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Dec-12-21
| | ajk68: <MisterFreeeze53: I picked every move, very seldom for me. Every one needed to be a check.> White does not need to sustain checks. There is no mate threat. I think with the best defense 20...Kf7 instead of 20...Kxf6 that the checks run out. |
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Dec-12-21
 | | Teyss: <ajk68> Indeed there are some variations although all are winning, e.g. 19...Kc7 (#14 but you have to see it), 20...Kf7 as you say, 21.Bg5+ as tried by <raymondhow>, etc. So not a straight path. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop, a knight and two pawns. Black threatens Qxd2+ and is about to play Be6.
This and the position of the black king suggest 18.Rxd5+: A) 18... Nxd5 19.Qxd5+
A.1) 19... Ke7 20.Bg5
A.1.a) 20... Qb1+ 21.Bd1 c2 22.Nd7+ Ke8 23.Qe6+ Ne7 24.Qxe7#. A.1.b) 20... h6 21.Ng8+ Kf8 (21... Ke8 22.Bh5+ Kf8 23.Qf7#) 22.Qd6+ Kg7 (22... Ke8 23.Bh5+ Qg6 24.Bxg6#; 22... Kxg8 23.Bxc4+ Kg7 24.Qc7+ and mate in two; 22... Ne7 23.Qxe7+ Kxg8 24.Bxc4+ and mate next) 23.Qf6+ Kxg8 (23... Kh7 24.Qf7#) 24.Bxc4+ and mate in two. A.1.c) 20... Kf8 21.Qd6+ Kg7 (21... Kf7 22.Bh5+ Kg7 23.Qc7+ and mate in two) 22.Nh5+ Kf7 23.Bxc4+ and mate in two. A.2) 19... Kc7 20.Qf7+
A.2.a) 20... Kb6 21.Be3+ Nd4 (21... Ka6(b5) 22.Qxc4+ and mate next) 22.Bxd4+ Kc6 23.Qxc4+ Kd6 24.Qc5+ Ke6 25.Bc4#. A.2.b) 20... Kb8 21.Bf4+ Ne5 22.Bxe5#.
A.2.c) 20... Kd6 21.Bf4+
A.2.c.i) 21... Kc5 22.Qxc4+ Kb6 23.Qb5#.
A.2.c.ii) 21... Ne5 22.Qd5+ Kb6 (else 23.Qxe5+ is winning) 23.Qxe5 Qb1+ 24.Bd1 c2 25.Nd5+ and 26.Nb4+ followed by 27.Nxc2 should be winning. A.2.d) 20... Kd8 21.Bf4 Qb1+ 22.Bd1 c2 23.Q(B)c7#. B) 18... Kc7 19.Bf4+ Kb6 (19... Ne5 20.Qxe5+ Kb(c)6 21.Qd6#) 20.Rb5+ Ka6 21.Bxc4 wins (21... b6 22.Rxb6+ Kxb6 23.Qb5#). |
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| Dec-12-21 | | Messiah: Unusually simple for a Sunday! |
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Dec-12-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Messiah>
So then... Terribly Simple!
or is it... Simply Terrible! |
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| Dec-12-21 | | saturn2: <areknames: < Despite winning Shirov criticizes his 11. Rb1> I agree, the whole point of Nh2 imust surely be to open a path for the queen, so why not 11.Qh5+>
You mean 12.Qh5 instead of 12.Tb1 because move 11 was Nh2. Black should have played 11...h5 instead of Qa4 to prevent 12.Qh5+ |
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| Dec-12-21 | | areknames: <You mean 12.Qh5 instead of 12.Tb1 because move 11 was Nh2> Yes I did mean that, thanks for correcting me. <Black should have played 11...h5 instead of Qa4 to prevent 12.Qh5+> Yes, absolutely! |
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Dec-12-21
 | | chrisowen: Retail v it's out Rxd5 flush v arrived odd banal bandwagon under o v bandjob retail v it's out flank it's z jammy cad trail blight it's wovern bumpy quiet oy it's knight z it's waffles oe it's gacked tippy pjs has gab divine feed it's she don gobble axiom ehs it's vint hobble dutch axiomed jod awooga job goofy v it's c hog cc cued v it's c fog ums baffle i v cat v hooky c monks ghosted daffy v ooh ins hub fen ro it's ahoy axiom o c i v cd it's o cfo v it's stud v safer cuffs cooks decked it's face cha i ooh flags phs mad c v it's jet dared it's dear hoofy v cobbler creche it's she ooh fin x ale it's faced it's brushed it's dr vilify rod c it's fled it's c med v it's second bells ok it's sad c but thoroughfairs v hard it's other red roared it's hack v i shy liker rolex off face it's why it's v ale rd5 lay har it's a heres mud in your eye it's holy trinity v it's search ins oy bin off board jar it's skimover rd5 it's sealed if ice it's vant frosty it's lasty packet Rxd5 era no? |
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| Dec-12-21 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: I didn't see a word from fish house about the other Black King's route. After the presumed sacrifice 18.♖d5+ ♘xd5 19.♕xd5+, I saw it immediately, I'm the King of daring moves... lgs ..♔c7 20. ♗f4+ ♔b6, I guess some could say, hey there is a tied game here, with perpetual check: ♗f4+... ♗e3+... I don't believe White would do so). I suppose the following: 21. ♕xc4 ♕b1+ 22. ♗d1... and Black is in mate net, bit not in a direct combination of mate, which I didn't find. For example, a simple ♗g4?? 23. ♗e3+ ♔c7 24. ♕f4+ ♔d8 25. ♕d6+ ♔c8 26. O-O ♗xd1 27. ♖xd1 c2 28. ♕d7+ ♔b8 29. ♗f4 and mate next. I guess this is the missing explanation.
I've still follow you, however I stopped to post, since many wrote exactly what I would do, so I feel a little repeated or repeating someone. It seems non sense.;-) |
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Dec-12-21
 | | saffuna: <areknames><Yes I did mean that, thanks for correcting me.> It was my error in the very first post. Should have been "12. Rb1." |
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| Dec-12-21 | | takchess: Saw the idea and the first two . Loved how Shirov walked the diagonals. |
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| Dec-12-21 | | landshark: Ditto what <raymondhow> got - I rarely ever tangle with Sunday puzzles, but this one begged for 18.Rxd5+ and 19.Qxe5+ and I would have played that had I courageously got myself into such a mess OTB. |
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Dec-12-21
 | | PawnSac: < Brenin: 17 ... dxc3 looks like a brave decision, as Sir Humphrey used to say > Sir Humphrey was being a gentleman.. it looks suicidal to me!
Never put yourself at risk like that when the opponent has the initiative! < 17 ... Be6, ..followed by 18 ... Qg6, might have been a safer course of action. > Of that there is no doubt, my friend!
but.. "looks like a brave decision"
I have to remember that. i like it. lol |
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Dec-12-21
 | | Breunor: Like everyone else, even a panzer like me Rxd5. I’m not sure I would play it I. A real game but on ‘white to play’ it was obvious. |
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Dec-13-21
| | PawnSac: < King.Arthur.Brazil: ..Black's other king route. After 18.♖d5+ ♘xd5 19.♕xd5+, > game position after 19.Qxd5 :
click for larger view< I saw ..♔c7 20. ♗f4+ ♔b6, > 
click for larger view< I suppose the following: 21. ♕xc4 ♕b1+ 22. ♗d1... > 
click for larger viewOK I'm with you so far. Next you comment:
< and Black is in mate net, bit not in a direct combination of mate, which I didn't find. For example, a simple ♗g4?? 23. ♗e3+ ♔c7 24. ♕f4+ ♔d8 25. ♕d6+ ♔c8 26. O-O ♗xd1 27. ♖xd1 c2 28. ♕d7+ ♔b8 29. ♗f4 and mate next. ... > Here is the mate you did not find.. In the diagram above..
Nd5+ Ka5 Qa4#
22. ..Bg4?? is totally wrong because it does nothing to prevent the mate! |
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Jun-10-23
| | Plaskett: Shirov tellling me now that analysis with Stockfish 15 revealing resources for black after the superior ... Be6! instead of the losing ... dxc3? that even HE would never have thought of! |
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sac: 18.Rxd5+