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Alexey Shirov vs Harold James Plaskett
Reykjavik (1992), Reykjavik ISL, rd 8, Mar-10
French Defense: Winawer. Advance Variation (C18)  ·  1-0

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Jul-17-15
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  fredthebear: This is game #37 in "Fire on the Board" by Alexey Shirov
Dec-12-21  Brenin: 18 Rxd5+ Nxd5 19 Qxd5+ is an obvious start. After 19 ... Kc7 (not 19 ... Bd7 20 Qxd7 mate) I intended 20 Bf4+ Kb6 21 Be3+ Kc7 (Ka6 22 Qxc4+) 22 Qf7+, and after 19 ... Ke7 20 Bg5, e.g. 20 ... Qd2+ 21 Bxd2 cxd2+ 22 Qxd2 Kxf6 23 Qc3+ Ne5 24 f4 Re8 25 fxe5+ Rxe5 26 0-0+ Ke6 27 Bg4+ with what looks like a mating attack. I'm not convinced, but OTB I'd find this hard to resist.
Dec-12-21  Brenin: 17 ... dxc3 looks like a brave decision, as Sir Humphrey used to say in "Yes, Minister" when he wished to scare his political boss, Jim Hacker, off an idea. 17 ... Be6, protecting the d-pawn, followed by 18 ... Qg6, might have been a safer course of action.
Dec-12-21
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  raymondhow: I got the first three moves, then wanted to play 21.Bg5+ which apparently wins but not as convincingly. I'll call it half credit on a Sunday.
Dec-12-21  mel gibson: I saw that almost straight away -
it was not difficult.

Stockfish 14 says:

18. Rxd5+

(18. Rxd5+ (♖b5xd5+
♘e7xd5 ♕h5xd5+ ♔d8-e7 ♕d5-c5+ ♔e7-f7 ♗e2-h5+ ♔f7xf6 ♕c5-g5+ ♔f6-e6 ♗h5-g4+ ♔e6-f7 ♕g5-d5+ ♔f7-e8 ♗g4-h5+ ♕c2-g6 ♗d2xc3 ♖h8-f8 ♗h5xg6+ h7xg6 O-O ♖f8-f7 ♕d5xc4 a7-a5 ♖f1-e1+ ♖f7-e7 ♕c4-g8+ ♔e8-d7 ♖e1-c1 ♔d7-c7 ♕g8xg6 ♖e7-e6 ♕g6-g5 b7-b6 h4-h5 ♔c7-b7 h5-h6 ♔b7-a6 h6-h7 ♗c8-b7 ♖c1-b1 ♘c6-a7 ♕g5-f5 ♖e6-d6 ♕f5-e5 ♖d6-g6 ♖b1xb6+ ♔a6xb6 ♕e5-d4+ ♔b6-c6 ♕d4-c4+ ♔c6-d6 ♕c4-d3+ ♗b7-d5 ♕d3xg6+ ♗d5-e6 ♕g6-f6 ♘a7-c6 ♔g1-h2 a5-a4 ♕f6-f3 ♗e6-d5 ♕f3-g3+ ♔d6-c5 ♗c3-f6 ♔c5-b6 ♕g3-g7) +8.75/39 439)

score for White +8.75 depth 39.

Dec-12-21  areknames: < Despite winning Shirov criticizes his 11. Rb1> I agree, the whole point of Nh2 imust surely be to open a path for the queen, so why not 11.Qh5+?

<and then questions 14...e5> Unnecessarily opening the position. 14..Qxc2 looks better.

<after 17...dxc3 black "gets mated virtually by force,"> Well, that's just asking for it, isn't it?

Another Weird Winawer, such a bloody difficult opening to negotiate with either colour yet I always loved it. Great POTD, hardly insane though.

Dec-12-21
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  louispaulsen88888888: The first move that comes to mind is RxPch. I think I would have played it without working it all out. But sometimes I do that and the opponent finds a defense! Better to calculate than be lazy.
Dec-12-21  MisterFreeeze53: I picked every move, very seldom for me. Every one needed to be a check.
Dec-12-21
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: For Shirov, a mating attack "virtually by force." For me, a speculative sacrifice that would have proven irresistibly tempting.
Dec-12-21
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  ajk68: Black taking the knight at f6 seems wrong intuitively and with some mental calculation - and the computer backs that up.

Often in these positions the knight will offer some additional cover - especially with the bishops poised to start taking diagonals.

It's not enough of a difference to change the outcome of the game, but it is less likely to lead to an immediate mate.

Dec-12-21
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  ajk68: <MisterFreeeze53: I picked every move, very seldom for me. Every one needed to be a check.>

White does not need to sustain checks. There is no mate threat. I think with the best defense 20...Kf7 instead of 20...Kxf6 that the checks run out.

Dec-12-21
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  Teyss: <ajk68> Indeed there are some variations although all are winning, e.g. 19...Kc7 (#14 but you have to see it), 20...Kf7 as you say, 21.Bg5+ as tried by <raymondhow>, etc. So not a straight path.
Dec-12-21
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  agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop, a knight and two pawns.

Black threatens Qxd2+ and is about to play Be6.

This and the position of the black king suggest 18.Rxd5+:

A) 18... Nxd5 19.Qxd5+

A.1) 19... Ke7 20.Bg5

A.1.a) 20... Qb1+ 21.Bd1 c2 22.Nd7+ Ke8 23.Qe6+ Ne7 24.Qxe7#.

A.1.b) 20... h6 21.Ng8+ Kf8 (21... Ke8 22.Bh5+ Kf8 23.Qf7#) 22.Qd6+ Kg7 (22... Ke8 23.Bh5+ Qg6 24.Bxg6#; 22... Kxg8 23.Bxc4+ Kg7 24.Qc7+ and mate in two; 22... Ne7 23.Qxe7+ Kxg8 24.Bxc4+ and mate next) 23.Qf6+ Kxg8 (23... Kh7 24.Qf7#) 24.Bxc4+ and mate in two.

A.1.c) 20... Kf8 21.Qd6+ Kg7 (21... Kf7 22.Bh5+ Kg7 23.Qc7+ and mate in two) 22.Nh5+ Kf7 23.Bxc4+ and mate in two.

A.2) 19... Kc7 20.Qf7+

A.2.a) 20... Kb6 21.Be3+ Nd4 (21... Ka6(b5) 22.Qxc4+ and mate next) 22.Bxd4+ Kc6 23.Qxc4+ Kd6 24.Qc5+ Ke6 25.Bc4#.

A.2.b) 20... Kb8 21.Bf4+ Ne5 22.Bxe5#.

A.2.c) 20... Kd6 21.Bf4+

A.2.c.i) 21... Kc5 22.Qxc4+ Kb6 23.Qb5#.

A.2.c.ii) 21... Ne5 22.Qd5+ Kb6 (else 23.Qxe5+ is winning) 23.Qxe5 Qb1+ 24.Bd1 c2 25.Nd5+ and 26.Nb4+ followed by 27.Nxc2 should be winning.

A.2.d) 20... Kd8 21.Bf4 Qb1+ 22.Bd1 c2 23.Q(B)c7#.

B) 18... Kc7 19.Bf4+ Kb6 (19... Ne5 20.Qxe5+ Kb(c)6 21.Qd6#) 20.Rb5+ Ka6 21.Bxc4 wins (21... b6 22.Rxb6+ Kxb6 23.Qb5#).

Dec-12-21
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  Messiah: Unusually simple for a Sunday!
Dec-12-21
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Messiah>

So then... Terribly Simple!

or

is it... Simply Terrible!

Dec-12-21  saturn2: <areknames: < Despite winning Shirov criticizes his 11. Rb1> I agree, the whole point of Nh2 imust surely be to open a path for the queen, so why not 11.Qh5+> You mean 12.Qh5 instead of 12.Tb1 because move 11 was Nh2.

Black should have played 11...h5 instead of Qa4 to prevent 12.Qh5+

Dec-12-21  areknames: <You mean 12.Qh5 instead of 12.Tb1 because move 11 was Nh2> Yes I did mean that, thanks for correcting me.

<Black should have played 11...h5 instead of Qa4 to prevent 12.Qh5+> Yes, absolutely!

Dec-12-21
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Dec-12-21  King.Arthur.Brazil: I didn't see a word from fish house about the other Black King's route. After the presumed sacrifice 18.♖d5+ ♘xd5 19.♕xd5+, I saw it immediately, I'm the King of daring moves... lgs ..♔c7 20. ♗f4+ ♔b6, I guess some could say, hey there is a tied game here, with perpetual check: ♗f4+... ♗e3+... I don't believe White would do so). I suppose the following: 21. ♕xc4 ♕b1+ 22. ♗d1... and Black is in mate net, bit not in a direct combination of mate, which I didn't find. For example, a simple ♗g4?? 23. ♗e3+ ♔c7 24. ♕f4+ ♔d8 25. ♕d6+ ♔c8 26. O-O ♗xd1 27. ♖xd1 c2 28. ♕d7+ ♔b8 29. ♗f4 and mate next. I guess this is the missing explanation. I've still follow you, however I stopped to post, since many wrote exactly what I would do, so I feel a little repeated or repeating someone. It seems non sense.;-)
Dec-12-21
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  saffuna: <areknames><Yes I did mean that, thanks for correcting me.>

It was my error in the very first post. Should have been "12. Rb1."

Dec-12-21  takchess: Saw the idea and the first two . Loved how Shirov walked the diagonals.
Dec-12-21  landshark: Ditto what <raymondhow> got -

I rarely ever tangle with Sunday puzzles, but this one begged for 18.Rxd5+ and 19.Qxe5+ and I would have played that had I courageously got myself into such a mess OTB.

Dec-12-21
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  PawnSac: < Brenin: 17 ... dxc3 looks like a brave decision, as Sir Humphrey used to say >

Sir Humphrey was being a gentleman.. it looks suicidal to me! Never put yourself at risk like that when the opponent has the initiative!

< 17 ... Be6, ..followed by 18 ... Qg6, might have been a safer course of action. >

Of that there is no doubt, my friend!
but.. "looks like a brave decision"
I have to remember that. i like it. lol

Dec-12-21
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  Breunor: Like everyone else, even a panzer like me Rxd5. I’m not sure I would play it I. A real game but on ‘white to play’ it was obvious.
Dec-13-21
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  PawnSac: < King.Arthur.Brazil: ..Black's other king route. After 18.♖d5+ ♘xd5 19.♕xd5+, >

game position after 19.Qxd5 :


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< I saw ..♔c7 20. ♗f4+ ♔b6, >


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< I suppose the following: 21. ♕xc4 ♕b1+ 22. ♗d1... >


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OK I'm with you so far. Next you comment:

< and Black is in mate net, bit not in a direct combination of mate, which I didn't find. For example, a simple ♗g4?? 23. ♗e3+ ♔c7 24. ♕f4+ ♔d8 25. ♕d6+ ♔c8 26. O-O ♗xd1 27. ♖xd1 c2 28. ♕d7+ ♔b8 29. ♗f4 and mate next. ... >

Here is the mate you did not find.. In the diagram above.. Nd5+ Ka5 Qa4#

22. ..Bg4?? is totally wrong because it does nothing to prevent the mate!

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