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Semon Palatnik vs Igor Stohl
Kotov Memorial (1986), Tallinn URS
Gruenfeld Defense: Three Knights Variation (D90)  ·  1-0

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Jun-23-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  nasmichael: The power of momentum! Thank you, Sem Palatnik for the exchange. Folks, check out his books. Watch out for "Sick Buffalo". ;-)
Jul-22-06  quickbolt: I'm assuming you went to Emory? Good stuff :).
Mar-26-07  Chicago Chess Man: Why didn't black play 17. ..Kh6 ...? It seems that would have left him only a pawn down, rather than the exchange.
Mar-26-07
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  Black Vampire: <Chicago Chess Man:Why didn't black play 17. ..Kh6 ...? It seems that would have left him only a pawn down, rather than the exchange.> After 18.Bxc3,Bxd8 19.Rb1, the pawn b7 is lost. For instance, 19...Rb8 20.Be5,Ra8 21.Rxb7, for some strange reason the computer Crafty 19.01 prefers 21.Rd1 though.
Feb-15-08
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  Domdaniel: Either 17...Kh6 or 17...f6 would have hung on a little longer, but Black is quite lost in any case. It's not just a matter of being 'only' a pawn down - it's also Black's vulnerable queenside and White's initiative. The c5 pawn, supported by pieces, will be very dangerous once b7 falls - probably the reason that black went into the 17...Qxd4 line, as he gets to grab the c5 pawn at least. But of course it's not sufficient.

The crucial error seems to be 14...Bf6 - superficially a good move, defending e7 and making space for the king on g7 (and of course the Nc6 can't be taken - 14...bxc6? 15.Bxc6 Rb8 16.Rd8+ Bf8 17.Bh6 is murderous, and 15...Bh3 16.Bxa8 isn't much better).

Yet 14...Bf6 loses in the game after 15.Rd8+ Kg7 16.Nxe7! - a beautiful combination.

Instead, 14...Bg4!? gives Black some activity at the cost of another pawn or two. Even then, though, 15.Nxe7+ Kf8 16.Rb1! gives White a great many threats and a definite edge.

Another option is 14...Bf8, but it's very passive.

Perhaps the whole Queen sac line is simply good for White.

Feb-05-21
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  al wazir: Black might have done better to keep the ♕: 16...Be6 17. Rxa8 Bxe7 18. Rxa7 Bxc5 19. Bxc5 Qxc5 20. Rxb7 Bxa2 21. Rd1 Be6.
Feb-05-21  Walter Glattke: Possible continuation was: 13.Nxc6 Rxd1 14.Raxd1 bxc6 15.Rd8+ Bf8 16.Bxc6 Rb8 17.Bh6 Qg7 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Bd7 one rook for white. Option 14.-Qxe3 15.Rd8+ Bf8 (no Nxe7 now) 16.fxe3 bxc6 17.Bxc6 Bb7 18.Rxa8 Bxa8 19.Bxa8 1 rook.
Feb-05-21  mel gibson: I didn't know what to do.

Stockfish 12 is calling it close to a draw:

13. Nxc6

(13.
Nxc6 (♘d4xc6 ♖d8xd1 ♖a1xd1 ♗g7-f8 ♖d1-b1 h7-h5 ♖f1-c1 ♕c3-f6 ♘c6-b4 h5-h4 ♘b4-d5 ♕f6-e5 ♘d5-f4 ♕e5-c7 g3xh4 e7-e6 ♖b1-b5 ♖a8-b8 c5-c6 b7-b6 ♖b5-g5 ♗f8-e7 ♖g5-g4 ♔g8-h7 ♗g2-e4 ♗e7-d6 h4-h5 f7-f5 h5xg6+ ♔h7-g8 ♘f4-d5 ♗d6xh2+ ♔g1-h1 e6xd5 ♗e4xd5+ ♔g8-g7 ♖g4-h4 ♕c7-d8 ♖h4-h7+ ♔g7xg6 ♖h7-h6+ ♔g6-g7 ♔h1xh2 ♕d8xd5 ♖c1-g1+ ♔g7-f7 ♖h6-h7+ ♔f7-e8 ♗e3-f4) +0.54/39 190)

score for White +0.54 depth 39

Feb-05-21  Brenin: The N on d4 is pinned and under-defended, while Black's back rank is weak, so 13 Nxc6 is an obvious solution, and it's just a matter of checking that White comes out best (if only marginally in some cases) against all Black's responses. With White's R on d8 and B on the a8-h1 diagonal, the B and R stuck on c8 and a8 are going cripple Black's efforts.
Feb-05-21
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  ajk68: I'm not seeing the advantage of Nxc6 - not enough to make it a puzzle.
Feb-05-21  Brenin: <ajk68>: The advantage of Nxc6 is that White doesn't lose a piece: without this combination the N on d4 is doomed, e.g. 13 Bxc6 bxc6 14 Rc1 Qb2 15 Rc4 Ba6 is horrible for White. A puzzle doesn't always have to lead to a clear win.
Feb-05-21  goodevans: <ajk68: I'm not seeing the advantage of Nxc6 - not enough to make it a puzzle.>

CG puzzles aren't always to find a win. They're to find the best move.

I was struggling with this one to start with until I stopped looking for a win and started looking for mere survival for white. White does, after all, seem to be in dire straits.

Other candidates like <13.Rc1> can be quickly dismissed (13.Rc1 loses to 13...Rxd4). At least I can't find one that comes even close to working. That leaves <13.Nxc6> as the only possible solution since it minimises material loss and actually gives white a bit of initiative.

Having settled on <13.Nxc6 Rxd1 14.Raxd1> I think it's important to see that black can't win a piece with <14...bxc6> because of <15.Bxc6>, forcing him to give it back (15...Rb8?? 16.Rd8+ Bf8 17.Bh6). Apart from that I'm happy just to have escaped that predicament with a roughly equal position.

Feb-05-21  Brenin: In the game, Black would have been safe with the rather passive 14 ... Bf8 or the more enterprising 14 ... Be6.
Feb-05-21  malt: I had gone with 14...Be6
Feb-05-21
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  chrisowen: Lashed it in Nxc6 enough i v damage accustomed it in i lovely muddle a huffle rooftop lashed it in i gadzooks labour bavarian quivver vertice it weakcame mackwent fannyadams o v you jump its fortus v i firsts blagger clammy claw it within totadd fluffs hadoff i v pinecone goodness i v drawish it warpath it monster Nxc6 dug?
Feb-05-21
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  chrisowen: Footloose var?
Feb-05-21  agb2002: Black threatens Nxd4.

The rook on d8 and Black's back rank become defenseless after 13.Nxc6.

However, the position is unclear after 13... Rxd1 14.Raxd1 Bf8 (14... bxc6 15.Rd8+ Bf8 16.Bh6 Qg7 17.Bxg7 wins decisive material) because, if 15.Rd8, Black has 15... bxc6 16.Bh6 Bb7.

White can win the b-pawn with 15.Nd8 (instead of 15.Rd8) but I'm not sure whether this gives enough compensation.

In any case I'd play 13.Nxc6.

Feb-05-21
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  chrisowen: Ghost Nc6 fountain Rxd1 goods are up Raxd1 fingers crossed for Nxe7+ fluffed an drawish a lot onion layer cakefoot and moats off bandjob horse carriage us think bf8 hatchet flesh nc6 church of reason just prepped bf8 an qu in c3 what's the matter no?
Feb-05-21  drollere: clearly, with four black pieces attacking d4 against 2 white defenders, it's a use it or lose it situation with the N. after 13. Nxc6 Rxd1, 14. Raxd1 bxc6, 15. Rd8+ Bf8 white has pinned both of black's B's and is ready for Bxc6.
Feb-05-21  Cellist: I wanted to play Nxc6 but could not see a clear way to a win. SF agrees that there is no win with correct play from Black: 0.00 (33 ply) 13.Nxc6 Rxd1 14.Raxd1 Bf8 15.Nd8 Bf5 16.Nxb7 Rc8 17.c6 Qa3 18.Rd8 Qxa2 19.Rc1 Qxe2 20.c7 Kg7 21.Bf1 Qf3 22.Bg2 Qe2. I briefly considered 13. Rc1 and 13. Nb5, which lose badly.
Feb-05-21  goodevans: <drollere: [...] after 13. Nxc6 Rxd1, 14. Raxd1 bxc6, 15. Rd8+ Bf8 white has pinned both of black's B's and is ready for Bxc6.>

It's better to play Bxc6 and Rd8+ in the other order netting a whole piece (see my previous post).

Rd8+ first isn't quite so effective: <15.Rd8+ Bf8 16.Bxc6 Qa5> (to protect a7) <17.Re8 Bb7> and now white must choose between <18.Rxa8 Bxc6> and <18.Rxf8+ Kxf8 19.Bxb7>, neither of which is quite as good.

Feb-05-21  dhotts: 12. Be3 was a clever move setting a fantastic trap for Black luring him in with an easy pawn grab and threatened loss of a piece/knight...I hate when I get swindled by easy pawn grabs.
Feb-05-21
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  ajk68: <goodevans: <ajk68: I'm not seeing the advantage of Nxc6 - not enough to make it a puzzle.> CG puzzles aren't always to find a win. They're to find the best move.>

In that case, this is a rather obvious puzzle for a Thursday. The move is pretty much forced.

Thanks for the insight about CG puzzles, I've been on here for 15 years and never caught on to that. ;-)

Feb-05-21  goodevans: <ajk68> I see we joined within a few months of each other.

These white (black) to move and avoid losing are fairly rare but have come around once every few months, or so it feels to me. Likewise the red herrings where it looks like there's a forced win but it's a trap, although in that case I can't remember seeing one of those for simply ages.

Sometimes it's pretty obvious like with Kasparov vs N R McDonald, 1986 <54..?> other times less so and you wonder if they really intended you to just avoid the loss or whether the problem setter just made a mistake. Today I'm giving the problem setter the benefit of the doubt.

Feb-05-21  drollere: <Thanks for the insight about CG puzzles, I've been on here for 15 years and never caught on to that.>

from the "About Our Puzzles" link (just under the board position on the home page):

"What kind of move am I looking for?

"The goal is to find the best move, or sequence of moves, in the given position.

"You do not always have to find a checkmate! Just find the best move.

"Usually, this move will lead to a superior position, either by a forced sequence of moves which leads to checkmate, or (more commonly) wins substantial material.

"By "substantial material" we mean usually winning at least the exchange (i.e. trading a knight or a bishop for a rook). More commonly the winning move will net a whole piece (bishop/knight/rook) and sometimes will win the queen. Occasionally, the material will be only a single pawn--this usually happens in endgame situations where the extra pawn will surely decide the game.

"The first move is not always the most difficult move to see. Sometimes, the initial move in the sequence is somewhat obvious, but the real solution to the position lies in the follow-up moves. In order to solve our puzzles, you must see enough moves to demonstrate that the initial move is correct. Simply guessing the first move, without understanding why it works, is not solving the puzzle.

"Sometimes we will present a position where the player who is to move is in a nearly hopeless situation. In these positions you are expected to look for a way to draw the game instead of win it. We don't tell you that you are looking for a draw; you are expected to figure this out by the nature of the position."

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