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Mikhail Tal vs Alexey Suetin
Chigorin Memorial (1977), Sochi URS, Sep-??
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Jaenisch Variation (C42)  ·  0-1



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Aug-22-03  Brian Watson: This same game score appears in the database with players reversed -- which is correct?
Aug-22-03  ughaibu: At a guess I'd say this one is probably correct, the Petrov doesn't strike me as a likely choice by Tal.
Aug-22-03  ughaibu: I've just checked and found eight Petrovs with Tal as black, this loss and seven draws, all from late in his career this being the earliest.
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  InspiredByMorphy: Tal gives up the queen for position and equality. But the position is what wins.
Feb-08-04  Catfriend: In fact, two rooks are more than a queen
Apr-20-05  Fischer of Men: Yet in the game Tal vs Simagin, 1956 he is on the opposite end of the ♕ vs. ♖ + ♖ endgame but still on the winning side.
Apr-20-05  aw1988: <Catfriend> They're about equal, depending on the position.
Apr-21-05  Karpova: rooks are stronger if connected because they can work together well while the queen becomes stronger if it's not like that. two good examples:
Aron Nimzowitsch vs Jose Raul Capablanca New York 1927 Viswanathan Anand vs Kramnik Cap d'Adge rapid 2003
Apr-21-05  erimiro1: Sorry, the discussion about 2 Rooks vs. Queen is useless for this case, cause White can not prevent 39. c1=Q, because of mate. Also let me remind you Fischer who said about Q VS 2 R's: "A Queen is a queen!" (on his game vs. Keres in "My 60 memorable games")
Apr-21-05  knightspot: So why did White exchange off all the minor pieces after the Big exchange? Did he not walk into a losing endgame?
Apr-21-05  weirdoid: A philosophical riddle:

The moves in this game is identical with:

Tal vs Suetin, 1977

Conclusion: Mikhail Tal and Alexey Suetin must in fact have been the same individual.

Apr-21-05  knightspot: well then that reinforces the question about why did white trade off all the pieces. As in "if I were him, I wouldn't have done that" but then, when Tal actually did assume Suetin's identity for the rematch, he went and did the same thing.
Apr-21-05  Karpova: <erimiro1: Also let me remind you Fischer who said about Q VS 2 R's: "A Queen is a queen!">

this quotation is rich in content. what about the first game of the wc match kramnik-leko 2004? q didn't win against 2 r's though being a queen (according to fischer).

Apr-21-05  knightspot: More to the point, what about the first game of Fischer Larsen in 1971 when Fischer defeated Larsen's queen with just the minor pieces? Of course as a an exercise in triviality, we cannot dispute the literal truth of the statement.
Feb-25-06  waddayaplay: This version is correct. See tournament table at

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