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| May-20-10 | | mertens: Jimfromprovidence: "Black's best try is 29... Nd7 30 Qxa8 Qe4 31 Kg1" -- could 31. Rc3 be an improvement over 31. Kg1? I think White should at any rate try to exploit the pin on the Be8. The idea behind Rc3 is to play Re3.
(a) 31. - Qb1+ 32. Kg2 Qe4+ 33. f3 Qe2+ 34. Kh3 Qf1+ 35. Kh4 Nf6 36. Re3
(b) 31. - Qh1+ 32. Ke2 Qe4+ 33. Re3 Qg4+ 34. Kf1 and black is running out of checks. |
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| May-20-10 | | vesivialvy93: Is f4 works here ? |
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| May-20-10 | | libertyjack: Wow, great attacking game by Tal! |
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May-20-10
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <mertens> <Jimfromprovidence: "Black's best try is 29... Nd7 30 Qxa8 Qe4 31 Kg1" -- could 31. Rc3 be an improvement over 31. Kg1? I think White should at any rate try to exploit the pin on the Be8. The idea behind Rc3 is to play Re3. (a) 31. - Qb1+ 32. Kg2 Qe4+ 33. f3 Qe2+ 34. Kh3 Qf1+ 35. Kh4 Nf6 36. Re3 (b) 31. - Qh1+ 32. Ke2 Qe4+ 33. Re3 Qg4+ 34. Kf1 and black is running out of checks.> 31 Rc3 is a very clever move (which means I didn’t think of it myself). I’m not sure if it’s better than 31 Kg1 but at the least it is a very legitimate alternative. For example, in your first line below,
<a) 31. - Qb1+ 32. Kg2 Qe4+ 33. f3 Qe2+ 34. Kh3 Qf1+ 35. Kh4 Nf6 36. Re3>
isn’t 35…Qe2, better for black, in order to keep the bishop protected?
click for larger viewAlso, I’m not sure how white responds to another resource black has at his disposal, 31…f4, below. It looks complicated from here.
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| May-20-10 | | mertens: <Jimfromprovidence>: Thank you, Jim! Yes, 35. - Qe2 looks good and is a very clever move in your terminology ;-). I would still stick to the Re3 idea and give 36. h3 a try in order to renew the abovementioned threat. As to 31. - f4: 32. gf4 renews the Re3 threat, gives White the additional Kg3 in case of checks and threatens Rg3+ as well. But maybe in my quest to exploit the e-file I overlooked something ... |
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| May-20-10 | | M.Hassan: I followed two lines until realized that the shortest way for white to win would be 28.Qd8 gxf5 29.Kf1 and next white rook attacks black queen and there is no chance for black.
Surprisingly, the other 2 lines that I did end up winning for white. here they are:
Line A
28.f4 Qxf5 29.Qd8 Qe4 30.Rxc7 Qe1+
31.Kg2 Qe2+ 32.Kh3 Qf1+ 33.Kh4 Qe2
At this point, black "drys up" of checking white King with Queen and can do: 43.g5+ Qxg5+ 35.Kh8 Qg7#
Line B
28.f4 Qe3+ 29.Kg2 Qxc1 30.Qd8 Qe1
31.Be6 fxe6(if Qxe6 dxQ and Q is lost) 32.Qxe8#
Am i missing anything? |
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| May-20-10 | | mrriddler: <M.Hassan> After 28.f4 Qe3+ 29.Kg2 Qxc1 30.Qd8, Qe1 looks losing, but Black can play an intermediate check to reposition his queen.
30... Qd2+ 31. Kh3, Qe2 32. Be6 doesn't work here because of Qb5. I think Black holds with his extra piece. |
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| May-20-10 | | David2009: Tal vs K Grigorian, 1982 White 28? What's not to like about 28 Rxc7 levelling material and threatening Re7? 28...Qxf5 29 Qe7 Qb1+ 30 Kg2 and Black can postpone, not avoid, Qg8#
Or 28...gxf5 29 Re7 etc. Time to check:
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Tal played 28 Qd8! 28 Rxc7? is a blunder, 28...Na6!. Time to set the puzzle position up on Crafty:
click for larger viewhttp://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... (Tal v Grigorian 1982, 28?)
Crafty defending as Black sacrifices the QR for excellent practical perpetual check chances in the game line. Now to read the kibitzers who I am sure have anticipated much of this. Who elsse has joined me in the 28 Rxc7 club? Fellow-kibitzers are reminded that these Crafty links provide a rapid method for testing out various White variations against an ingenious and resourceful computer opponent. |
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| May-20-10 | | wals: I opted for the inferior Bd3.
Rybka 3 1-cpu: 3071mb hash: depth 15:
Black, up a pawn and a knight for a Bishop, but 1.03 in arrears, crashes:- +3.23 24...Qh8.
Available:-
1.  (1.47): 24...Qd4 25.Rad1[] Qc3 26.Rc1 Qd4 27.Bg5 h5 28.Rxc7[] Qg7 29.Bf6 Qh6 30.Be7 Qd2 31.Rcc1 Bg4 32.h3 Bxh3 33.Rcd1 Qc3 34.Bxg6 fxg6 35.Qxh3 Qc8 2. (1.47): 24...Qc3 25.Rac1[] Qd4 26.Bg5 h5 27.Rxc7[] Qg7 28.Bf6 Qh6 29.Be7 Qd2 30.Rcc1 Bg4 31.h3 Bxh3 32.Rcd1 Qc3 33.Bxg6 fxg6 34.Qxh3 Qc8 White returned the favour with:-
+2.46 25.Bf5. better Bd3, -3.23.
Black retaliated with:-
+3.59 25...Qc3. better Rc8, +2.49 or Nc6 +2.77, for all the good they'd do. |
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| May-20-10 | | Eduardo Leon: I first thought the solution was 28.♗e6? fxe6?? 29.♕e7, but 28...♘d7! prevents any further harassing by white. Thus, the eighth rank must be taken right now: 28.♕d8!, and there is no defense against 29.♔f1 and 30.♖e1. |
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| May-20-10 | | hannahbelle: same with me mr. leon... |
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| May-20-10 | | TheBish: Tal vs K Grigorian, 1982 White to play (28.?) "Medium", Black is up a pawn.
White wins with 28. Qd8!, and the weakness of the back rank will show. 28...gxf5 (not 28...Qxf5 29. Qxe8#) 29. Kf1! (threatening Re1) Nd7 30. Qxa8 Nf6 (or 29...Nb6 30. Qd8 and 31. Re1 will win, or 29...Qe7 30. Re1 Ne5 31. f4) 31. Re1 Ne4 32. f3 and wins. |
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May-20-10
 | | al wazir: <Tubba324, Breunor: 29...Qe4 30.Qg5+> Duh. I can't believe I missed that. I must have suffered brainlock. Thanks |
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| May-21-10 | | turbo231: Not a very good puzzle. |
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| May-22-10 | | kevin86: A few seeming contradictions:First "Karen" was a man and though he committed suicide in 1989,he has several games from the years up to 2005. |
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Nov-11-24
 | | OhioChessFan: Had to think about the pun a few seconds. I like it. |
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Nov-11-24
 | | HeMateMe: Is this a biblical reference? |
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Nov-11-24
 | | sleepyirv: <HeHateMe> I believe it's a play on the phrase "Gregorian chant." |
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Nov-11-24
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: The Gregorian Chant--quite a haunting sound. Playing White, would have felt a fool for conceding doubled isolated d-pawns, but Tal understood the importance of piece activity over sound pawns--after his 16th move, Black in effect concedes odds of QR and QN for the rest of the game. |
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Nov-11-24
| | HeMateMe: I was sort of wondering how a woman would find herself playing Tal in an elite tournament when I checked the profiles and found out that Karen is a guy. |
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| Nov-11-24 | | Teyss: Lesson #15: the player who needs to play g7-g6 (respectively g2-g3) after having given up his DSB (respectively LSB) loses the game, always. Except when he/she doesn't. 28.? was a Thursday puzzle back in 2010. Love the quiet final move 29.Kf1! As pointed above by <Jimfromprovidence> Black can only avoid total disaster with 29...Nd7 30.Qxa8 Qe4 (threatening Qh1+) 31.Kg1! another quiet move. Fantastic game, somewhat circumvoluted pun, maybe "No Grigorian Chance" would have been simpler. |
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| Nov-11-24 | | goodevans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9... |
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Nov-11-24
 | | offramp: A few years ago there was a vogue for Gregorian chants, especially after raves. Ravers would listen to mental, frenetic rave music after dosing up with 🇪. Then they would flop out in a green room and calm down to Gregorian chants. What a load of hooey. I reckon that for normal adults <10 SECONDS> Gregorian chants is the maximum. Anymore than that you are obliged to smash up the turntables. In this game, Grigorian nearly turned the tables on Tal, with 28...Nd7. |
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Nov-11-24
 | | MissScarlett: A companion piece to K Grigorian vs Tal, 1973. |
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Nov-11-24
| | HeMateMe: Ray Manzarek, keyboardist and songwriter of the Doors put out an LP of Gregorian chants layered with his music. Interesting concept, not sure how it did commercially. |
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