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Wilfried Schiller vs Peter Leisebein
SchGambit II/60 (1988)
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Traxler Counterattack Knight sac line (C57)  ·  0-1



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Mar-02-05  trogdor: What should black play after 10.Qe1!!! ?
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  Eric Schiller: <troqdor> 10...Qd4+, I suppose. I have no recollection of this game, not sure that I am the one playing White. The opening was not in my repertoire since I left elementary school, certainly not in the 80s!
Mar-14-05  sneaky pete: White is Wilfried Schiller, a German correspondence player. This game stems from the gambit theme tournaments organized by Leisebein and Schneider in the 1980ies.
Mar-14-05  azaris: I wonder why they were forced to play 6. ♔xf2?!. Was it arranged by Andras Adorjan to prove that BLACK is OK?
Mar-14-05  aw1988: The debate of accepting the bishop sacrifice (after the rook sacrifice!) has stretched ages, and I believe it still escapes a definite conclusion.
Mar-17-05  Jaymthegenius: What is the point of 4.Ng5, It neglect's development and whites pawns are still at home, not taking away any support points for the opposing knight, maybe better here for white would be 4.b3,d6 5.Bb2 or 4.d3,d6 5.Be3, or 4.a3,d6 5.b4 but as I said I'm no expert on open games so my analysis might be meaingless.
Mar-17-05  rochade18: <Jaymthegenius> your lines would surprise everyone in a game, but most people prefer 4.d3 or 4.0-0 when avoiding 4.Ng5. Still 4.Ng5 is very playable when you know the best continouations as white.
Mar-18-05  Jaymthegenius: 4.0-0 and white has lost a developing tempo, black will either play ...Bc5 (NOT 4...d5?!5.exd5,Nxd5 6.Bxd5,Qxd5 7.Nc3 and white gains a tempo and aim's to close the position),4...a6 (to prepare to gain space while taking c4 away from the white bishop)

This is just my opinion, though, and 4.0-0 is very playable, but I usually like to wait to castle.

Mar-18-05  InspiredByMorphy: 6.Kf1 and white has the better game.
Mar-22-05  misguidedaggression: <IBM> not really, but he has a better game than he does here. His chance of winning after 6.Kf1 is, according to this database, only 14.9%. A better try against the Traxler is 5.Bxf7+ Though black still has the better game. The 5.Nxf7 lines are more or less suicidal. Notice here how white has only moved 2 pieces in the first 9 moves in an extreemly open game. This opening was designed to take advantage of the white knight needing 4 tempii to go from g1 to h8. Even though White can hang on a little longer by declining the second sacrifice, his position is very underdeveloped and unpleasent.
Apr-23-06  midknightblue: <misguided> Yes 5. Bxf7+ is preferred, but very few people believe that this leaves Black with the better game. Most feel White has won a pawn with no significant compensation. I have read up on this quite a bit - but it was over a year ago. I recenlty lost with 5. Bxf7+ online not too long ago, in a blitz game. At tournament or slow control games, the traxler is not a popular choice as black because you must play very very well to deal with the Bxf7 lines and get any good play. Having said all that, you may or may not be correct about how black stands after Bxf7+. I am just saying that your view is contrary to most of what I have read (online mostly, but also in a book i have by jan pinski).
Apr-16-07  BadTemper: dont believe everything you read
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  fm avari viraf: All said & done, it seems the whole variation looks drawish but White must avoid the temptations in grabbing the dead pieces.
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  gambitfan: A superb Traxler Counter Attack...
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  whiteshark: <12.Bf7+?> is the decisive mistake here. Much better <is 12.Qe4!>

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attacking Qh4 and threating Qxe5+.
<12...Qg5+> (12...Nxc2 13.Nf7 white has enough material and gives Ra1 back for development) <13.Qg2 Qf6 14.Qf2>

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and it's quite ∞. At least not a quick loss for White

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