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| Aug-23-16 | | AlicesKnight: Tuesday. You start looking at ....Qxf4, because it's Tuesday, then you engage brain and see ...Qxb2, winning the R or a Bishop after 11.Qxb2 Nxd3+. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | saturn2: dfcx: in your first variant white cannot save the rook because after 10..NxB 11QxN Qb2 12 Qc3 comes Bb4. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | YouRang: Tuesday 10...?
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This brings up another puzzle-solving tip: If a knight is in checking range of the enemy king, look closely at the other squares that the knight would fork along witht the king. Often, the winning tactic involves attacking that square. In this case, our Nb4 can give check at either c2 or d3. If the N is at c2, it also forks Ra1 and Pe3, but there's not much we can do with those squares. However, if the N is at d3 it conspicuously hits Pb2 which is also attacked by our (black) Q, and defended only by white's queen. So, we set up the fork by taking the pawn: <10...Qxb2!>
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If 11.Qxb2, then the fork 11...Nxd3+ gets the queen back, a piece ahead. Otherwise, black threatens ...Qxa1. Black may try <11.O-O> (hoping for 11...Qxa1 12.Nc3! attacking the trapped queen). But black's correct reply is <11...Qxd2 12.Nxd2 Nxd3>, and again black is a piece ahead. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | goodevans: Count me among those who went for <10 ... Nxd3+ 11.Qxd3 Qxb2>. Would someone with access to a decent engine care to let us know how this compares to the game line. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Once: Fritzie says there are three moves which secure more than a pawn's advantage for black: 10... Qxb2 (-3.21)
10... g5 (-1.95)
10... Nxf2 11. Kxf2 Qxf4 (-1.17)
In human mode, I went for Nxf2 because it feels right to keep the white king in the centre. But 10...Qxb2 is certainly the stronger move. Wish I'd seen it. Not a good week for me so far. Some tricky puzzles! |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Al2009: < Dyonisius 1> You're totally right!
10...Nxf2! was better because it still keeps Queens on the chessboard. <nalinw> You're wrong. After 11. Kxf2 Qxf4 and White is dead... |
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Aug-23-16
 | | OhioChessFan: The answer to 10...Nxd3+ is 11. Qxd3 Qxb2 12. 0-0
click for larger viewAnyone try 10...g5? |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Al2009: <Once> Fritzie is in error.
Why 10...Qxb2 should be better than 10...Nxf2? After 10...Qxb2 and Nxd3 Black remains a piece up, but Queens have been exchanged, and yet after 10...Nxf2 11. Kxf2 Qxf4 then White's position is simply DESTROYED, and Queens are still on chessboard, although material is TEMPORARILY even.
Don't trust so much on engines evaluations. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | thegoodanarchist: I told Sepp to watch out for Keres but he didn't listen... |
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Aug-23-16
 | | Willber G: <OhioChessFan: The answer to 10...Nxd3+ is 11. Qxd3 Qxb2 12. 0-0> Then:
12...Qxa1
13. Nc3 Qb2
14. Rb1 Qa3
15. Nb5 Qa5 (not 15...Qa6 because of 16. Nxc7+)
and the queen escapes with white a rook up. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Once: <Al2009> 10...Qxb2 wins a piece - either the rook on a1 or the bishop on d3. 10...Nxf2 wins a pawn plus it has the positional advantage of keeping the white king in the centre. That's why Fritzie evaluated 10...Qxb2 as over 3 (the value of a minor piece) and 10...Nxf2 as 1 plus loose change. The 1 is for the pawn, the loose change is for the positional advantage. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Jacob Sasportas: Easier than yesterday - and incredible that this could happen in a correspondence game! |
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Aug-23-16
 | | scormus: Instructive puzzle. < 10 ... Nxd3 11 Qxd3 Qxb2> looks tempting, but as so often, the b-pawn is poison. 12 O-O! Qxa1 13 Nc3 Qb2 and B had wasted a lot of tempi. W counteracts 14 Qe4+ Kf8 or Ne5 and W has good compensation for the exchange. Rybka makes it roughly equal but I prefer W's position. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | rgr459: 10... Qxb2 is a very hostile move. Got this one. |
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Aug-23-16
| | Willber G: <scormus: Instructive puzzle. < 10 ... Nxd3 11 Qxd3 Qxb2> looks tempting, but as so often, the b-pawn is poison. 12 O-O! Qxa1 13 Nc3 Qb2 and B had wasted a lot of tempi. W counteracts 14 Qe4+ Kf8 or Ne5 and W has good compensation for the exchange.> Yep, my previous post missed 14. Qe4+ (although black is a rook up, not the exchange). |
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Aug-23-16
 | | Dionysius1: So how does White not lose the exchange after 10...Nxf2? If he moves the Rh1 he loses the Bd3 |
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| Aug-23-16 | | patzer2: After playing over today's Tuesday puzzle Budapest gambit game, I thought of George Ezra's hit song Budapest at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHr.... Thinking of the opening lyrics to <Budapest>, I thought why not add it back to my opening repertoire?: <My house in Budapest
My hidden treasure chest,
Golden grand piano
My beautiful Castillo...
Give me one good reason
Why I should never make a change
And baby if you hold me
Then all of this will go away>
My young 7-year-old grandson, who placed third in the rated section (his 10-year-old brother placed third in the unrated section) of a scholastic tournament in McKinny Texas this month and gained over 120 regular rating points by defeating higher rated players, loves gambits. So I'm sure he'll enjoy this short Budapest Gambit correspondence game. P.S.: I missed today's Tuesday puzzle by getting too greedy and going for the win of a Rook with 10... Nxd3+ 11. Qxd3 Qxb2 12. O-O Qxa1 (diagram below): 
click for larger viewThe problem with my geedy line is that after 13. Nc3 Qb2 14. Qe4+ = to  White gets dangerous counter play and near level chances Much better, as <Once> observes, is simply winning a piece with Kere's continuation 10...Qxb2 as the Knight fork after 11. Qxb2 Nxd3+ 12. Ke2 Nxb2  (-4.33 @ 18 depth, Deep Fritz 15) leaves Black a piece and a pawn ahead. In short, with the game continuation 10...Qxb2, Black's win is simple and uncomplicated. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | patzer2: Speaking of the Budapest, there's a good article about 23-year-old Englishman George Ezra, who wrote and sang the hit song <Budapest>, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg.... According to the article, Ezra's unique sound was influenced by the American folk singers Bob Dylan and Woodie Guthrie. He also explored the Blue's influence on Dylan by the Blues artists Lead Belly ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_...) and Howlin' Wolf a.k.a. Chester Arthur Burnett (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howli...). |
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Aug-23-16
 | | Jonathan Sarfati: 5... ♗c5 is a bad move, but trappy. The obvious 8. ♘c3 is refuted by 8... ♘xf2! 9. ♔xf2 ♕xf4, as in J Wilson vs N Zykina, 2008. But 8. ♕d2 defends both b2 and f2, without being open to hits with ... ♗f5 or ... ♘b4, as in J Dobias vs F Zita, 1933 |
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| Aug-23-16 | | varishnakov: <Dionysius1>
He doesn't lose the exchange with 11.Kxf2. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | mel gibson: White played a poor opening.
move 7
should have been
7 Nc3 instead of
7 pxf6
White left himself wide open for attack.
Good chess opening advice: - get your pieces out
on to the main board & onto good squares. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | Marmot PFL: 9 Bd3? is an incredible move to see in a postal game. After the obvious 9...Nb4 10 Qd2 even if black misses 10...Qxb2, 10...Nxf2 should also win easily. |
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| Aug-23-16 | | kevin86: I reversed the last two moves. Doesn't black win the rook that way? |
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| Aug-23-16 | | varishnakov: <kevin86>
9...Qxb2 loses the queen. |
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Aug-23-16
| | Willber G: <varishnakov: <kevin86> 9...Qxb2 loses the queen.>
But 10...Qxb2 doesn't. |
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