London Chess Club vs Edinburgh Chess Club (1824) Fight Club

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London Chess Club vs Edinburgh Chess Club
"Fight Club" (game of the day Nov-10-2006)
Correspondence Match (1824) (correspondence), London ENG / Edinburgh SCO, rd 2, Apr-28
Scotch Game: Haxo Gambit (C45) · 0-1

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Jan-06-05		Knight13: Nice to see this game. Black can win easily in the endgame with his rook killing off pawns and promoting pawns.

Nov-10-06		The Backward Pawn: Mischief. Mayhem. Soap.

Nov-10-06		Ashram64: ...nice fighting

Nov-10-06		FSR: Wow. White must have had a win somewhere.

Nov-10-06		syracrophy: Wow! A failed king hunt!

Nov-10-06		Infohunter: One of the correspondence match games that gave this opening the name of "Scotch Game".

Nov-10-06		Deefstes: Was 48.Qg2 a blunder? It seem to me that it sets up the exchange that ends in the loss of the white Rook.

Nov-10-06		FSR: <Deefstes> White is lost at that point, since other 48th moves lose the rook outright, e.g. 48.Kf2 Qf4+

Nov-10-06		Achilles87: 45... Be4# looks good to me

Nov-10-06		Stosb: Achilles87: 45... Be4# looks good to me It looks really good, if it wasn't for white's rook at f1.

Nov-10-06		al wazir: <Deefstes: Was 48.Qg2 a blunder?> No, the blunder was 47. Qb2. White could have drawn by repetition with 32. Qc5+.

Nov-10-06		Achilles87: Ah yes, too good to be true..

Nov-10-06		WarmasterKron: Surely we should not talk about Fight Club?

Nov-10-06		sfm: I remember reading about this game that London, after sending move 27.Rxg5? (all moves by telegraph), immediately sent a cancellation of the move. Edinburgh refused to acknowledge the cancellation, and the game went on under protest, an affair that according to the book "made waves for years to come".

Nov-10-06		sfm: This doc gives the whole story and analysis. I find it very interesting! http://www.chesscafe.com/text/spinr...

Nov-10-06		kevin86: The first rule of FIGHT CLUB is:We do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of FIGHT CLUB is:We do NOT talk about Fight Club! A great movie-if you own it Watch it! If you don't,Buy or Rent it!! It looks like at various segments of this game,that neither team can save it. Black diverts the white queen with the rook sac-to gain the winning attack. The ending ♖+♙+♙ vs ♗+♙+♙ is an elementary win in this case.

Nov-10-06		sfm: <FSR: Wow. White must have had a win somewhere.> Right. According to below mentioned paper there are several winning moves, e.g. 13.Qd4! and also 25.Rd4 (preventing Black from covering the lucrative square f5 with 25.-,Qd5 or -,Bd3), with the simple idea 26.Qf5 after which Black rapidly dies. Re7 is a crushing threat and there's no good way to prevent it as all lines with -,Ra8-e8 loses instantly.

Nov-10-06		The17thPawn: <sfm> - Where's the win after 25.Rd4, Re8? Seems to force simplification with black a pawn up. Any feedback is welcome.

Nov-10-06		mang00neg: Ba3+ 1-0

Nov-10-06		The17thPawn: <mang00neg> - Thanks for the help missed that entirely.

Nov-10-06		Maatalkko: Speaking of "Fight Club", check this out: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.... It's kind of like Futurama or American Dad; you're never quite sure if it's actually funny or if you just expect it to be funny so you pretend it is.

Nov-10-06		babakova: It is actually not very funny at all.

Nov-11-06		Rocafella: 41.Bd4+ how come that wasn't played?

Jun-06-14		Sally Simpson: " after sending move 27.Rxg5? (all moves by telegraph)" Telegraph in the 1820's? The moves were sent by stagecoach took 3-4 days. Here: click for larger view London played 27.Rxg5+ then upon further investigation realised it was no good so they went to the Post Office and asked for their letter back. The company refused so London sent a following letter asking for the move back. (the club still has the letter.) Edinburgh claimed touch moved! And Here: click for larger view London has a clear perpetual with Qc5+ and Qg5+. Perhaps miffed at the Edinburgh response they never took it and went onto to lose the match... ...What is not well known is that Edinburgh too sent a duff move. (nobody is sure where but the incident is record in the club minutes.) They too went their Scottish Post Office and asked for the letter back. By then the game match was big news being billed as Scotland v England. The Scottish clerk promptly handed back the letter the Edinburgh Club. This match gave us the Scotch Game (Played by the Scottish player John Cochrane who played for London. London played it first v Edinburgh, Edinburgh liked the move so played it back v London, shortly after the match started Cochrane left for India.) This match was also kicked off the myth of the 'Lewis Chess Pieces.' http://www.chessedinburgh.co.uk/cha... The pieces are now displayed in the Edinburgh with a Viking board and are called the 'Lewis Gaming Pieces.' (though still no evidence at all they came from the Isle of Lewis.) The museum have since got rid of the 'new' Rook and gone back to the original piece.

Feb-28-17		zanzibar: There is a lot of instructive improvements for White in this game. Let me show one, at White's 25th move (White to move after 24...g5) click for larger view r4k2 /p1p2q1r/5P1p/1p2Q1p1/2b2R2/8/PB4PP/4R1K1 w - - 0 25 It looks like Black's strongest defensive asset is the c5-f7 diagonal. But White can demolish the Q+B battery and exploit this same diagonal with an essentially forced line involving an xchg sac: 25.Qc5! Kg8 26.Rxc4! bxc4 (if ...Qxc4 26.Qf6 Qf7 is similar) 27.Re7! (Black to move) click for larger view And White claims the diagonal 27...Qf8 28.Qd5+ Rf7 (...Kh8 is x-rayed) 29.Rxf7 Qxf7 30.Qxa8+ So yes, White had a forced win.

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