| May-02-04 | | villasinian: Did white just miss 9. NxN ? |
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May-02-04
 | | tpstar: <villasinian> Correct! The usual motif is 9 ... Qh4 forking f2 & g4 to regain the piece, but here it falls flat = 9. Nxg4 Qh4 10. Ne3. Black's whole sacrifice idea (10 ... Nxf2?!) was unsound due to 12. Bxe3 and Black can only get two Pawns for the piece with 12 ... Bxh3 (13. gxh3 Qg3+ 14. Rg2 Qxe3+ 15. Kh2, or 13. Qf3 Be6). Instead 12. Qf3? Bxf2+ lost the exchange and the game. An off day for White! |
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| Jul-09-05 | | MichaelJHuman: In the book Ideas Behind Chess Openings, Reuben Fine suggests that the "normal line" is 4...Nf6. But there are more games in the database with Bc5, and this line appears to have been used for many years. Perhaps over time Bc5 has become slightly preferred?
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| Jan-23-15 | | Poisonpawns: Alcohol must have been flowing during this game starting 8..Ng4?? 9.0-0??,10..Nxf2??,12.Qf3???, |
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May-30-20
 | | fredthebear: <Poisonpawns: Alcohol must have been flowing during this game> Perhaps. I'm thinking it must have been Scotch Whiskey, given the blunders. https://www.totalwine.com/spirits/s... Scotch whisky (Scottish Gaelic : uisge-beatha na h-Alba ; often simply called Scotch) is malt whisky or grain whisky made in Scotland. Scotch whisky must be made in a manner specified by law. All Scotch whisky was originally made from malted barley. (Malted barley was the secret ingredient used in Popcorn Sutton's Carolina moonshine.) |
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May-30-20
 | | Sally Simpson: <"Alcohol must have been flowing during this game starting 8..Ng4?? 9.0-0??,10..Nxf2??,12.Qf3???,"> When you see a set of mistakes like that you begin to suspect an error in the notation. Here.
click for larger view12.Qf3 instead of 12.Bxe3 is very suspicious.
However the score matches the Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games (page 114) but it stops on move 24. (where did extra moves come from.) Oxford book says Staunton gave game in Illustrated London News. Only analysis, presumably from Staunton, is White should have played 8.0-0 or 8.h3 instead of 8.Nc3. And if see a report from Staunton (that you Miss Scarlett) Kieseritsky - Horwitz (1846) (kibitz #3) It would appear Horwitz was quite Ill.
"...it became painfully manifest that his [Horwitz] recent indisposition had rendered him utterly incompetent to bear the mental labour of a hard chess fight even for a single hour. Under these circumstances it would have been prudent to adopt the advice of his medical friends and have postponed the conflict for a few weeks." *** |
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May-30-20
 | | MissScarlett: Unless this game be salvaged, we'll have people claiming that leading players from the 1840s were 1200 in strength. |
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May-30-20
| | MissScarlett: <Oxford book says Staunton gave game in Illustrated London News>, August 29th 1846, p.131, gives <6. Ng3 d6 7. Bd3 Nf6 8. Nc3 Ng4 9. O-O Qh4 10. h3 Nxf2
11. Rxf2 Qxg3 12. Qf3 Bxf2+ 13. Qxf2 Qxf2+> transposing. Correction submitted. Make no mistake, these guys were at least 1500. |
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May-30-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
Excellent - Oxford book gives.6.Ne3 but move played 6.Ng3. (now it all makes sense.) I knew something was wrong there. Looked at Hooper and Whyld to see if I could get any more on the apparent Horwitz illness. Nothing. Kieseritzky a bit more interesting and maybe the source of the error. He started his own magazine but used an obscure form of notation that he himself invented. Maybe the score in the Oxford Levy book came from Kieseritzky's mag (it lists "La Régence" as a source for other material) and made what sounds like a plausible error. The book does cite I.L.N. but the scores differ between the two. Would not be surprised if it appeared in 'La Regence" and had been screwed up transposing into algebraic. (be good if we discovered the score of 'The Immortal' was also wrong!). ---
Hooper and Whyld report that when Kieseritzky died nobody would contribute to keep him out of a paupers grave and no one attended his funeral. See also: Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritzky (kibitz #78) for a report of his last days written in the glorious Victorian style. "When the mind collapses and the brain degenerates it is a pathetic thing to see the shell that was the man. There he sits, the once famous chess master, his face upturned to the sun as its rays glide through the window like some stealthy predator come to suck out life rather than infuse his being with it." Wonderful...there is more:
"His stool is like rock or shrapnel."
I'm thinking stool samples should be mention in players bio's. *** |
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May-30-20
| | MissScarlett: There's a line about all political careers ending in failure. Well, what about chess? One moment you're part of an Immortal Game...the next you're being unceremoniously dropped in a hole in the ground... I suspect it wasn't the immediate funeral expenses that appalled his confreres, but the name on the headstone. |
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May-31-20
| | fredthebear: Stool samples?! Ha! Ha!!
Humor aside, I do appreciate <MissScarlett> and <Sally Simpson>'s historical explanation of this game and Kieseritzky's serious ailments. It's a terrible thing to suffer w/no hope of improvement, to die penniless, and/or alone. Hence, have another shot of Scotch! Actually, I'd advise a personal conversation w/Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior, for His grace and mercy, but there'd probably be more takers for the Scotch! Judgement Day is a coming! Sally, what do you suppose Capablanca's stool sample would have been like? Would it depend upon which woman was in the room? |
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May-31-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi Fred,
The main thing is the score has been corrected and the players reputations restored. When it gets corrected ours will be the only site in the entire universe of chess sites that has the correct score. A quick scan about revealed three that still have 6.Ne3 https://old.chesstempo.com/gamedb/g...
https://www.redhotpawn.com/chess/gr... https://www.chessbites.com/Games.as... 6.Ne3 is also on Mega-Base therefore it is sitting forlorn and tainited on thousands of home computers. Regarding Capablanca's stool, I think it would have glistened like gold because, apparently, the sun shone out of his ass. *** |
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May-31-20
| | MissScarlett: Capa's stools became holy relics and were revered even after the revolution: https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-cont... <However the score matches the Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games (page 114) but it stops on move 24. (where did extra moves come from.)> The full score appears in the <Chess Player's Chronicle>, vol.vii, p.296, although it states <The game was carried on for a few more moves, and then won by Black.> Instead of Game VI, the <CPC> unhelpfully lists it as <Game DCCCCXCVII>, i.e., Game 997. |
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May-31-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
:)
(thanks for the game info, was thinking where ever the extra moves came from might have a different move in there.) Thought you had editing powers to change it. A few trusted individuals should be granted the power to make corrections to ease the workload. *** |
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Jun-01-20
| | fredthebear: No doubt. Probably preserved in a museum somewhere on the island. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/f... (That's a bottle of Heinz catsup on the table, not Scotch. Patrick Mahomes is BIG on catsup. It might help your game too.) https://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/10... FTB has that bit of advice covered, most days. Lucky me! It seems one must do this first... action-reaction: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... Oprah recommends this book: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... Where do you think she has Capablanca's Chess Fundamentals ranked on her book list? This is not a variation of the Colle, but it's kind of inspirational: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/commen... And my internet search quickly goes south from there. So, I'll close w/a picture of a Sun Bear to inspire those with the Black pieces to be ready for anything: http://www.expatgo.com/my/wp-conten... |
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