|Apr-12-05|| ||Knight13: Are all those Knight moves worth it? |
|Apr-12-05|| ||Milo: Nice find!
I'm inclined to think that black must have some way to crack the center while white is giving him all those tempi. Maybe he could try ...f5 and ...e4 or something. He could also attempt to put a bishop on h3. But in any case, 5...e5 doesn't seem like a great move to me.
|Apr-12-05|| ||Shams: good question, Knight13. what seems strange to me is that after that long maneuver of the king knight, white retakes on d5 with a pawn. |
still, I think there is a logic...black is playing very ambitiously and after ...e5 it makes sense to find a use for the knight, and prevent ...d5. just my quick thoughts.
|Apr-15-05|| ||Knight13: Thanks to both <Milo> and <Shams>.|
There another thing I realized: A master rated player beat and Grandmaster!
Gerard Welling's rating is 2369 and Tregubov's rating is 2629. I don't see this happen often.
|Apr-19-05|| ||aw1988: It happens often enough, for example:
1) The grandmaster wanted to catch a soccer game.
2) The grandmaster is Nigel Short, who has just played Re6.
3) The grandmaster saw his wife and dropped a knight.
4) The grandmaster is being smug and is convinced he/she can drink more than Bogoljubow, Alekhine, and Mason combined.
5) The master played 4...Bc5!??!?!?!?!?!? and the grandmaster walked off in disgust,
6) Or finally, the grandmaster is playing a protracted 295-move-endgame and suffers of a heart attack.
|Apr-19-05|| ||fgh: lol <aw>, poor Short. Re6!!, the strike of a genius! :-DDDDDD |
|Mar-25-06|| ||Caissanist: Welling has at least two other GM scalps to his credit, against Vasiukov and Loginov. All three are in "my" (really his) collection Game Collection: Some of Gejewe's favorite games.|
|Mar-25-06|| ||SniperOnG7: Just my 2c: I play the English and sometimes i uses this knight plan also. It's quite strong and sometimes is worth the no. of tempis required to achieve such a position. It won me many games on playchess.
Heres is one of those games:
[Event "Rated game, 15m + 0s"]
[Site "Main Playing Hall"]
37.Ne6+ Gorach1 resigns
|Mar-25-06|| ||Caissanist: <SniperOnG7>: thanks for that, nice game. |
After spending a few minutes poking around in the database, this does indeed seem to be a fairly common maneuver in the English, although more so when black fianchettos his king bishop. L Karlsson vs DeFirmian, 1985, Larsen vs W Schmidt, 1988, and G Welling vs A Van De Berg, 1988 are all pretty similar games.
It seems to me that the fianchetto of the black king bishop radically changes the nature of this opening. If black fianchettos he gets more space but has to defend against direct threats to his king, often leading to a very tactical game. If he doesn't his king is much safer but he is cramped and has a bad king bishop, leading to more of a drawn-out positional struggle. No doubt Sniper would have a more informed opinion.
|May-13-06|| ||Gejewe: <Caissanist>
In fact I borrowed that manoeuver from one of the games you mention : Larsen-W.Schmidt. Saw that in a Danish chessmagazine with Larsen's notes at the time. By the way in Welling-Van de Berg I blundered but won nicely after he was not cautious ( ..Nxd3? )
|Jun-14-07|| ||Gilmoy: 4 moves to plant a N on a good square is tolerable -- cf. Ruy Lopez, where White's N(b1)-d2-f1-g3-f5 is book.|
Welling's weird openings seem designed to lure Black into overextending -- then Black gets saddled defending a huge pawn chain, and White chips away at its weak bases, and sneaks in behind it. Sort of a grand version of Alekhine's Defense :)