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| Jun-03-05 | | Jaymthetactician: 7.g3?? White should lose after that! Weakens the kingside considerably, And how does white win this! Black is better! I can't believe Ruy Lopez knew about prophylaxis and defense! |
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| Jun-03-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: 10. b4 1-0 ? |
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| Jun-04-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Was this really Ruy Lopez?
Yes, but apparently chessgames made a mistake between the real Ruy Lopez and the computer named after him. 5...f4 is something I would play, though I would play 5...f4 to prevent 5.exf4, as 6...f4 and risk being too late to push the pawn. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Black probably made a mistake, and recording of the rest of the game stoped probably for that. |
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| Jun-16-05 | | Jaymthetactician: <Jay> Maybe they want it to be some kind of a joke? I suppose ... I dont know, it lacks many elemant's required in intelligent humor (sure there is some irony like there being no computers back then, but to me appears to be nothing more then a flaw) And anyone know where to find Lucena's analyisis of his 1.b3 and french lines? And also where can I find Gottingen Manuscript puzzles? |
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| Jun-16-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> I share the same interest in Lucena's work. Unfortunately I couldnt find much under a brief search. I did find "Lucenas position" however, with some interesting notes on the origin of his book. http://www.chessville.com/instructi... It says that their are between only 8 and 20 copies known in existence. I want a copy! Im surprised there is none of its contents online... |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Hey! I found this Lucena vs. Damiano game at
http://www.geocities.com/historyatt... They don't give a date though, and Lucena blundered, yet still won with 13...Rxc3?? doubling his pawn's without compensation. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Also note that Damiano didnt resign when he should have, chess as we know it was new then so it is expected to play that poorly. |
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| Jun-18-05 | | Jaymthetactician: And it look's like Greco was "Unmathed" How does someone who is unmathed learn how to calculate anyway's? |
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| Jun-20-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> Very cool link. Im not sure what you mean by "unmathed" . The link you provided mentioned that Greco was unmatched. Are you confusing the two? Also, although I havent had a chance to look at the game yet, judging by the opening moves it doesent look like a poor quality game. It is an invaluable game, being as it is very hard (as you know) to find anything played by Lucena. |
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| Jun-21-05 | | humanehuman: Perhaps he was late for church? |
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| Jun-21-05 | | Jaymthetactician: I read it through my bad eye.
it doesent look like a poor quality game.
But the doubled b-pawns on the open file? Here is my annotations: 1.e4,e6
2.d4,d5
3.e5,c5
4.c3,Nc6
5.Nf3,Bd7
6.Be3,cxd4
7.cxd4,Qb6 (crudely staring down the b-pawn, now I often play the 1.e4,c5 2.Nf3,e6 3.d4,cxd4 4.Nxd4,Qb6 sicilian as black, but in the french doesnt look correct)
8.Qc1,Rc8 (Lucena plan's a discovery, but even Damiano found 9.Nc3 making it useless)
9.Nc3,Bb4 (not a good move, as the bishop is exchanged no matter what)
10.Be2,Nge7
11.a3,Bxc3+
12.bxc3,Na5 (12...Nf5 13.Bd2,Qc7 would be better)
13.Rb1,Rxc3?? (Lucena should lose with this, because after move 16.Kd2,Nec6 17.Bd3  )
14.Rxb6,Rxc1+
15.Bxc1,axb6
16.Nd2,f5 (perhap's the strongest move back then as there is no en passant or castling) Said by the author, I disagree as there is a backward pawn that can be exploited. |
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| Oct-12-06 | | Achilles: will i pass mr atienza's subject? |
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| Sep-13-07 | | realbrob: Why on earth should Black resign here? Is there some crushing attack I completely missed? |
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| Sep-13-07 | | Petrosianic: Well, you have to remember, this was 1575. Probably the Saracens were attacking, or something like that. |
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| Sep-13-07 | | dehanne: <Well, you have to remember, this was 1575. Probably the Saracens were attacking, or something like that.>
Bollocks. The Reconquista had ended in 1492.
It had to be the Spanish Inquisition, instead. |
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| Sep-13-07 | | Petrosianic: Oh. Well, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. |
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| Sep-13-07 | | FHBradley: <Petrosianic:> Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition! |
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| Sep-13-07 | | sanyas: 1.e4 e5
2.♘f3 d6
3.♗c4 f5?!
4.d3? (4.d4) ♗e7? (4...♘f6)
5.♕e2?! (5.♘c3) c6
6.h3? (6.♘c3) f4? (6...d5)
7.g3? (7.♘xe5) fxg3
8.fxg3 ♕c7? (8...♘f6)
9.♘c3 (9.♘g5) ♘f6?
10.b4? (10.♘g5)
Now Black should play 10...h6 11.a4! ♘bd7 12.0-0 ♘b6 13.♗b3 ♗d7 14.♗b2 0-0-0; Δ ...♗e8, ...♗g6, ...♖he8 and ...d5. There is, of course, no need to resign just yet. |
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| Sep-19-07 | | wolfmaster: My guess was that Lopez blundered after 10.b4, and was so ashamed of his loss that he made sure no one found out about his blunder. |
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| Jan-26-08 | | wolfmaster: Of course, it could have been a long, uneventful struggle which Lopez and da Cutri thought would not be worth saving for posterity. |
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| Jan-26-08 | | VaselineTopLove: Maybe they were playing correspondence chess, and Lopez ran out of money to buy postage and forfeited as a result... |
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| May-27-08 | | Halofire: Why 6.h3? It's alittle late if it attempts to block the white bishop. It wastes a tempo and the better move would be Nc3. When black made 6.f4 the easy counter would have been h3 then instead of wasting a tempo before. |
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| Oct-08-08 | | just a kid: Maybe they couldn't recover the rest of the game. |
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| Jul-30-09 | | blacksburg: this game was lost by black. |
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