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Vasilios Kotronias vs Nikolaos Skalkotas
"It's All Greek To Me" (game of the day Sep-04-2006)
34th Greek Teams Championship (2005), Ermioni Argolidas GRE, rd 3, Jul-06
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Chigorin Defense (C97)  ·  1-0



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Sep-04-06  Kwesi: No kibitzing on the game of the day??
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  sfm: Isn't that sour? Here Black has sailed stormy waters. Then, when the sea appears quite calm again he plays 43.-,Kg7?? - and is hit by a tsunami out of nowhere.
Sep-04-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Concerning the pun, this proverb "It's all Greek to me" is usually attributed to William Shakespeare, in Julius Caesar: “Those that understood him smiled at one another and shook their heads; but for mine own part, it was Greek to me”. But virtually the same phrase had been used the year before (1600) by another Elizabethan playwright, Thomas Dekker: “I’ll be sworn he knows not so much as one character of the tongue. Why, then it’s Greek to him”. Actually, the phrase is older than both of them: it comes from a Medieval Latin proverb “Graecum est; non potest legi” (It is Greek; it cannot be read). Both the Latin and the English meant then just what the phrase does now, to refer to something that is unintelligible. As an aside, the Spanish version of this proverb is “hablar en griego”, which is commonly said to be the origin of the word gringo, so somebody who is called a gringo is literally accused of speaking Greek and hence being unintelligible.


Sep-04-06  e4Newman: indeed - black may have had ana advantage but 43...Kxg7 is incorrect.

the tempting 44...Bxf7 allows the game-ending discovered check with e6+

Sep-04-06  Dr. Funkenstein: Emperor A: The word Gringo is also thought to have originated from South American and Mexican dislike of the presence of US Army troops who wear green, hence Green-Go! or Gringo. Your version may well be correct though.

As far as the game, I like how White steadily pushes forwards without appearing to have much of an advantage until f6 breaks up the kingside pawns and brings pressure to the enemy king.

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  Benzol: I thought "Gringo" came from the line in the song "Green go the rushes ho".
Sep-04-06  outplayer: Is 17...Na5 better as in Kotronias vs Shirov, 2005?
Sep-04-06  outplayer: Is there any game with 17...d5?
Sep-04-06  chessarmenia: Funny, after looking at the title of the game, I was expecting a double bishop sac on g7 and h7....
Sep-04-06  NakoSonorense: <As an aside, the Spanish version of this proverb is “hablar en griego”> Even though "hablar en griego" is used, the most popular version of this proverb in Mexico is "está en chino" (It's in Chinese)
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  WannaBe: I don't think Chinese have an equivalent proverb. Maybe I can invent one, "It's all chess to me."
Sep-04-06  syracrophy: As <NakoSonorense> points out, when we the Mexicans use the proverb "hablar en chino" or "hablar en griego" we're referring to something that we don't understand, something that is tough or inexplicable
Sep-04-06  technical draw: I believe in Germany they say.."it's all Spanish to me"...Nicht war,?
Sep-04-06  e4Newman: white's dark square bishop stands on f2 for a while playing a strong defensive role, complemented by the pawns on the light squares
Sep-04-06  YouRang: 44. Rxf7! Nice move. If 44...Bxf7, then 45. e6+, threatening 46. Qxf7.
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  al wazir: <EmperorAtahualpa, Dr. Funkenstein, Benzol>: I've been told that "gringo" came the song "Green grow the lilacs at my mother's door . . .," but I don't believe it.

<technical draw>: The Russian word for a German, "Nemets," come from the verb "nemet'," meaning to be unable to speak.

<NakoSonorense>: Some people would have called this opening a Ruy Lopez, but to Chessgames it's all Spanish.

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  kevin86: Despite the material being equal and bishops of opposite colors,white was able to win. I guess because he didn't allow a drawn ending to make it past the middle game. lol
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  patzer2: <YouRang: 44. Rxf7! Nice move.> Indeed, the discovered check threat 44. Rxf7! Bxf7 45. e6+ Kh7 46. Qxf7+ Qg7 47. Qxg7# proves decisive.

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  patzer2: White could have reached a won position earlier with 35. Qxa4! bxa4 36. fxg7 , shattering Black's pawn structure. However, the game continuation provided sufficient pressure on the Black position that White won easily enough without going for this longer endgame win.
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  patzer2: Perhaps the Fritz 8 suggestion 27...Na4!? = would have allowed Black to hold the position with even or better chances.
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