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 | | Honza Cervenka: The finish could have been something like 48... Kf5 49. Kd2 Kg4 50. Ne4 Kf3 51. Kd3 Nf4+ 52. gxf4 exf4 53. Bf2 Kg4 54. Kd4 f3 55. Ke5 Kh3 56. Kf4 Kg2 57. Ke3 Kf1 58. Nd2+ Kg2 59. Nxf3 Kh3 60. Ne5 Kh2 61. Kf3 Kh1 62. Bg3 Kg1 63. Nd3 Kh1 64. Nf2+ Kg1 65. Be5 Kf1 66. Bh2 Ke1 67. Ne4 Kf1 <(or 67... Kd1 68. Ke3 Kc2 69. Nd2 Kc3 70. Bd6 Kc2 71. Be5 Kd1 72. Kd3 Ke1 73. Bg3+ Kd1 74. Nc4 Kc1 75. Bf2 Kd1 76. Nb2+ Kc1 77. Kc3 Kb1 78. Kb3 Kc1 79. Be3+ Kb1 80. Nc4 Ka1 81. Bh6 Kb1 82. Na3+ Ka1 83. Bg7#)> 68. Nd2+ Ke1 69. Ke3 Kd1 70. Kd3 Ke1 71. Bg3+ Kd1 72. Nc4 Kc1 73. Bf2 Kd1 74. Nb2+ Kc1 75. Kc3 Kb1 76. Kb3 Kc1 77. Be3+ Kb1 78. Nc4 Ka1 79. Bf4 Kb1 80. Na3+ Ka1 81. Be5#. Well, I guess that Kramnik would have managed it to do even faster. |
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| Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <acirce><"Someone" who might or might not be a Kramnik fan, "a while ago" said "something like", and then a sentence follows that talks in general terms and not about "patzers" at all. OK, not quite what you said, but I'm glad you give such an exact reference.>I don't expect people who takes things to the personal level to see and understand simple things like thos really. So I'm not suprised if you don't get it. <Hilarious. Just the kind of reaction you wanted to see, I figure. Ok, I won't be feeding the trolls no more. There was actually a chess discussion going on here. My apologies.> My apologies too. I shouldn't be feeding the troll who directly called another person annoying when he didn't like what the other guy had said. |
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| Aug-07-06 | | mang00neg: what's the verdict? was the game salvagable before f7-f5? it seems too desperate. |
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Aug-07-06
| | Honza Cervenka: <"The more you understands chess, the more you'll be supporting Kramnik"> Of course, it depends on exact context in which it was written but as the sole sentence it is something what I would agree with whole-heartedly. Of course, it should not imply (directly or indirectly) that "the less you understands chess, the more you'll be supporting Topalov". It would have been utter nonsense and I think that this is not the case here. But there is a problem which sometimes quite bothers me. Some people with not very deep understanding of chess have purely emotional and irrational negative bias towards some top players based mostly on their own ignorance and this bias drives them to spread stupid, malevolent and derogatory froth everywhere on this site. I don't use "ignore list" tool on principle but sometimes I have temptation to be less scrupulous in this matter.:-/ |
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| Aug-07-06 | | Karpova: <gus inn: off course people like <Knight 13> has every right to vote for Topalov. Any other opinion is walking in small shoes and a "tribute" to a narrowmind.> Do you mean any other opinion than denying his right to vote for Topalov or every other opinion than voting for Topalov? |
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| Aug-07-06 | | acirce: <But there is a problem which sometimes quite bothers me. Some people with not very deep understanding of chess have purely emotional and irrational negative bias towards some top players based mostly on their own ignorance and this bias drives them to spread stupid, malevolent and derogatory froth everywhere on this site.> Amen. |
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| Aug-07-06 | | aw1988: <What's wrong with people hoping Topalov to win? Or are you only allowing people to hope for Kramnik to win now?> There's nothing wrong, but the post was extremely aggressive and it seems to me that this user was merely repeating what others have said instead of making up his own opinion clearly. |
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| Aug-08-06 | | Rama: It is true, having the pawn can make your situation worse sometimes, by giving you more legal moves and thus allowing white to play what would otherwise be stalemating moves. But still, making someone actually win their won game is not disrespectful, and fighting on in a lost position has lead to a draw many many times as we can all testify. With 1st place at stake, prize money, precious ELO points -- why not? |
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| Aug-08-06 | | cpalape: What happen to 43.Bb6,Kf6
if 44.Bd8,Kxf5 or
43.Bb6,Kf6
44.Nd6,Kg5; 45.Bd8+,Kg4 46.Bh4,Nf2
47.Kc2,h5; 48.Kd2,Nh1 |
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Aug-08-06
| | Honza Cervenka: <What happen to 43.Bb6,Kf6 > 44.Nd6 Kg5 (44...g6 45.Bd8+ Kg7 46.f6+ etc.) 45.Bd8+ Kg4 46.Be7 (there is no need to cover Pg3 when Pf5 is saved) 46...Kxg3 (what else?) 47.Bf8 Nf4 48.Bxg7 with easy win. |
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| Aug-08-06 | | InspiredByMorphy: Honza's above analysis:
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| Aug-08-06 | | patzer2: <Honza Cervenka>'s analysis of 33. a5!, and the moves that follow, is enough to convice me this little attack on a pinned pawn is the start of a winning passed pawn combination. |
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| Aug-09-06 | | kcb: Anyway I hope that Topy will win the
match or at least have the greatest possible number of wins in a match against Kramy (4 or 5... with Classical
Control). |
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| Aug-09-06 | | alicefujimori: <Honza Cervenka><But there is a problem which sometimes quite bothers me. Some people with not very deep understanding of chess have purely emotional and irrational negative bias towards some top players based mostly on their own ignorance and this bias drives them to spread stupid, malevolent and derogatory froth everywhere on this site.> I agree with this partially since there are some people here who does have some good understanding of chess but still expresses emotional and irrational negative bias towards some top players based mostly on their own ignorance and this bias drives them to spread stupid, malevolent and derogatory froth everywhere on this site. Also, they would go personal to anyone whose comments they don't like. The famous example of "you're annoying" is just one very few example of such a case. |
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| Aug-09-06 | | Runemaster: I love the way K is able to win games like this against very strong opponents while making it look so simple. After 20 moves, a symmetrical position was reached, but Kramnik evidently saw that the simple-seeming plan of advancing the queenside pawns was very strong. |
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Aug-09-06
 | | chancho: I agree. It takes real mastery to beat a strong opponent in these types of endgames. |
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| Aug-09-06 | | cpalape: Thanks to Honza Cervenka for the analisis to what happen to 43.Bb6.Kf6 |
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| Aug-10-06 | | InspiredByMorphy: <patzer2> Any thoughts on 31. ...Nc5 32.Bxc5 Rxc5 33.Rxc5 bxc5 34.Nc4 f6 35.Nd6 Ba8 ? Is there hope for black?
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| Aug-11-06 | | patzer2: <InspiredbyMorphy> After <31. ...Nc5 32.Bxc5 Rxc5 33.Rxc5 bxc5 34.Nc4 f6 35.Nd6 Ba8>, I think 36. Nc8  gives White very good winning chances. However, endgames are not my forte. So you might want to ask <Honza Cervenka> or another strong endgame players what they think. |
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| Aug-11-06 | | aw1988: 22...Nd3 might have been better. |
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| Aug-11-06 | | strifeknot: <aw1988: 22...Nd3 might have been better.> 23.Bxd3 |
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| Aug-11-06 | | strifeknot: <aw1988>, actually, after 22...Nd3, 23.Kc2 is better. The knight likely falls without compensation. Leko's choice was best. |
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| Aug-11-06 | | euripides: <morphy> In the position you posted Black is virtually paralysed and White will get one or two outside passed pawns. In addition to <patzer>'s 36 Nc8, White might play 36 Kc3 Ke7 37 Nc8+ Kd7 38 Nxa7 Kc7 39 Kc4 and if 39...Kb6 either 40 Nc8+ followed by Ne7-f5 or 40 Nc6 Bxc6 41 bxc6 Kxc6 42 a5 when White will win the K+P ending by using the a pawn as a decoy. Or 36 Kc3 g6 37 Kc4 f5 also looks hopeless for Black. |
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| Aug-11-06 | | aw1988: Yes, I missed Kc2, apologies. |
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| Aug-17-06 | | syracrophy: Hey <positionalgenius> are you here? |
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