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Aug-06-06 | | Knight13: Now that Leko lost, I hope Topalov's gonna beat the crap out of Kramnik! |
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Aug-06-06 | | positionalgenius: Whoa, there's a Kramnik-hater! feeling ill right now? |
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Aug-06-06 | | aw1988: <Knight13> Stop blindly following public opinion. |
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Aug-06-06 | | positionalgenius: I am so happy.Kramnik hasn't played this forcefully since 2002. |
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Aug-06-06 | | badest: This is indeed a very weak game by Leko. I feel sorry for him. But not to worry, Topalov will beat Kramnik in a big way! |
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Aug-06-06 | | mack: I knew Vlad would get his shooting boots on before the big match. I really can't wait. |
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Aug-06-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Man, Kramnik's really back on his game, isn't he? Terrific! This is going to be one hell of a play-off with Topalov. I think I'll root for Kramnik! |
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Aug-06-06 | | Ulhumbrus: 28 ...Bc6 supports the move ...b5 following ...a6. If Black can draw by 28...Bc6, that suggests that 26 Bxe6? lets White's advantage slip. |
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Aug-06-06 | | blingice: What is 34..f5?? supposed to do? |
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Aug-06-06 | | Atking: <blingice: What is 34..f5?? supposed to do?> A difficult question. It seems that Bb7 needed some fresh air. I'm asking myself if that move was not better after 19.Rd1. Leko didn't use his avant-post d4 for his Knight. I suspect Black get progressively wrong after such natural moves as 19. ...Rfd8 21. ...e5. May be 19. ...f5!? should be analysed. In all a great performance of Kramnik and an happy come-back. |
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Aug-07-06
 | | tamar: Kramnik's choice of this opening in the last round is reminiscent of Lasker v Capablanca 1914 where Lasker chose the Exchange Ruy, knowing that it would be uncomfortable for Capa to play as actively as the defense requires, given the tournament situation. Leko made the same mistake, lured into "safe" moves, and then realizing he had no defense to the simple advance of the queenside pawns. |
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Aug-07-06 | | Albertan: Shredder 8 found a way to draw this game by playing the move 34...a4: 34... a4 35. Nc4 f6 36. Kb2 Nf4
37. g4 Nd3+ 38. Ka3 Bc8 39. Kxa4 Be6 40. b6 Bd7+ 41. Ka5 Bc6 42. Bb8 Ne1 43. f4 exf4 44. Bxf4 Nd3 45. Bd6+ Ke6
46. Ka6 Bxe4 47. Bf8 Nf2 48. Bxg7 Nxg4 49. Nd2 Bg2 50. Nb3 Kf7 51. h3 Kxg7
52.hxg4 Kg6 53. Nc5 Kg5 54. Nd7 Kxg4 55. Nxf6+ Kg5 56. Nd7 h5 57. Ne5 Kf5 58. Nc4 Kf4 59. b7 Bxb7+ 60. Kxb7 h4 61. Nd2 Ke3 62. Nf1+ Kf2 63. Nh2 Kg2 64. Ng4 Kg3 65. Ne3 h3 66. Nf1+ Kf2 67. Nh2 Kg2 68. Ng4 Kg3 69. Ne3 h2
70.Nf1+ draw
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <aw1988><Stop blindly following public opinion>What's wrong with people hoping Topalov to win? Or are you only allowing people to hope for Kramnik to win now? |
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Aug-07-06 | | gus inn: off course people like <Knight 13> has every right to vote for Topalov.
Any other opinion is walking in small shoes
and a "tribute" to a narrowmind. |
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <gus inn>There's really nothing wrong and sinful if you support Topalov to win. The same goes to the people who support Kramnik. Supporting Topalov does not mean that one is a patzer (there are quite a number of Kramnik fans here who are trying to portray them as patzers though) and supporting Kramnik does not make anyone a pro. You, or anyone else, does not have to support or like Topalov. But it gives you guys no right to mock/insult/stop those who support Topalov. |
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Aug-07-06 | | gus inn: <alicefujimori> I agree.And I do believe
that the world would be a better place if we would exercise more in the direction; that because we like something , doesnt require that we have to be against something else.
"Imagine " ! ..
Have a nice day <alice.. > |
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Aug-07-06
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Albertan><Shredder 8 found a way to draw this game by playing the move 34...a4: 34... a4 35. Nc4 f6 36. Kb2 Nf4
37. g4....>
With all respect to the silicon majesty, Shredder rather proved here that these endgames are still very weak spot of his own as well as of other beasts of his kind. Why should be White so cooperative to weaken his Pawns by clueless 37.g4? Why not simply 37.Ne3? Pawn a4 is going to fall soon and black has no counter-play here. I cannot say that this is surely won for white but I don't think that practical chances of black to save it are any significant. |
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Aug-07-06
 | | keypusher: <What is 34..f5?? supposed to do?> It was part of a plan to weaken white's k-side pawns with the idea of eliminating them all, so that Black could sacrifice the bishop for White's b-pawn and draw the game because White would have insufficient mating material. Unfortunately Leko fell one pawn short -- he could not eliminate White's g-pawn. I don't know if he could have played better after 34....f5, but a lot of kibitzers thought 40....Kf6 was stronger than 40....Ng5. I look forward to seeing some GM analysis. |
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Aug-07-06 | | Gypsy: <Albertan: Shredder 8 found a way to draw this game by ...> I too feel that the Shredder's variation is shortchanging White from the strategic standpoint. |
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Aug-07-06 | | Rama: What about the maneuver Kf5-g4-f3, in the final position? 48. ... Kf5, 49. Kc2 Kg4, 50. Ne4 Kf3, 51. Kd3 Nf4+. Desperation, yes, but perhaps better than resigning on the spot? |
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Aug-07-06
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Rama: What about the maneuver Kf5-g4-f3, in the final position? 48. ... Kf5, 49. Kc2 Kg4, 50. Ne4 Kf3, 51. Kd3 Nf4+. Desperation, yes, but perhaps better than resigning on the spot?> This leads only to K+B+N vs K ending which is lost for black. It's worth to try in time pressure or against any weaker player as the winning method here is a little bit less obvious than K+R vs K or K+2B vs K but to try to play it against Kramnik with much more than 30 secs on clock would be quite queer.:-) |
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Aug-07-06
 | | tamar: <48. ... Kf5, 49. Kc2 Kg4, 50. Ne4 Kf3, 51. Kd3 Nf4+> 52 gxf4 exf4 53 Bf2
Having the extra pawn is actually worse in this ending because now White can delay capturing the f4 pawn until he has forced Black out of the center. That would put White comfortably within the 50 move rule, even if he took a couple mistaken paths. |
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Aug-07-06 | | acirce: <Supporting Topalov does not mean that one is a patzer (there are quite a number of Kramnik fans here who are trying to portray them as patzers though)> Hallucinating again? What is it with you and your need to demonize "Kramnik fans"? I doubt there is even one who has been trying to portray Topalov's supporters as patzers, much less "quite a number". |
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Aug-07-06 | | alicefujimori: <acirce><Hallucinating again? What is it with you and your need to demonize "Kramnik fans"? I doubt there is even one who has been trying to portray Topalov's supporters as patzers, much less "quite a number".
>Yeah right. I remember a while ago someone said something like this: "The more you understands chess, the more you'll be supporting Kramnik" That's just one indirect example. There are other little comment like that as well. And why are you overreacting to this? Are you happened to be one of them?lol |
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Aug-07-06 | | acirce: "Someone" who might or might not be a Kramnik fan, "a while ago" said "something like", and then a sentence follows that talks in general terms and not about "patzers" at all. OK, not quite what you said, but I'm glad you give such an exact reference. <And why are you overreacting to this? Are you happened to be one of them?lol> Hilarious. Just the kind of reaction you wanted to see, I figure. Ok, I won't be feeding the trolls no more. There was actually a chess discussion going on here. My apologies. |
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