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| Jan-24-07 | | euripides: Sofia rules would have served well here. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | BishopofBlunder: As soon as Kramnik played 1...e5, signaling the Petrov, I'd offer a draw. For two reasons: 1) You're not going to beat him, and 2) I'm sure he would accept. Why not save time? <Macbeth: I don´t know what´s happening with Kramnik...in Elista he showed awesome chess, and now this...looks like lack of motivation or something> Since winning the title in 2000, Kramnik's motivation has been lacking in anything outside of title defenses. He is interested in keeping the title, not in winning tournaments or impressing fans. I would imagine we will see a different Kramnik in Mexico. This is not unusual. Many people when they reach the ultimate goal of a championship, in any sport, tend to lose their motivation. Once you've reached the top, there's not much left to play for. Guys like Kasparov are the exception, not the rule. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Whitehat1963: <As soon as Kramnik played 1...e5, signaling the Petrov, I'd offer a draw.> Instead, why not start with 1. Nf3, 1. d4, 1. c4 or even 1. d3? You know that his standard reply to 1. e4 is e5. So if you still insist on 1. e4, then play 2. Nc3 or 2. Bc4 or even 2. Bb5. Anything that keeps him from playing his pet Petrov. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | BishopofBlunder: <Whitehat1963:> Maybe Motylev thought 1.e4 was safer for him than anything else. Perhaps he was hoping that Kramnik wouldn't play a Petrov against him. Then again, maybe he was hoping Kramnik would... |
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| Jan-24-07 | | supertimchan: You know, e4 e5 Nf3 isn't forced. King's Gambit! |
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| Jan-24-07 | | nimzo knight: I dont think they should be payed to play this kind of game.
Why the hell such a quick draw. Were they both in a hurry to go to toilet ;) |
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| Jan-25-07 | | notyetagm: <chessmoron: Maybe he really think Mexico is the only important tournament he wants. He wants to hide his tactics a little bit. He has a beautiful wife and their honeymoon is around the corners. He's laid back.> More excuses. First he was sick. Now he has a lovely wife. What's the excuse going to be next year? Hopefully by then he will no longer be World Champion so no one will care if he plays this crap. Alekhine is probably turning over in his grave at the thought of the chess World Champion playing like this. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | notyetagm: <Whitehat1963: <As soon as Kramnik played 1...e5, signaling the Petrov, I'd offer a draw.>
Instead, why not start with 1. Nf3, 1. d4, 1. c4 or even 1. d3? You know that his standard reply to 1. e4 is e5. So if you still insist on 1. e4, then play 2. Nc3 or 2. Bc4 or even 2. Bb5. Anything that keeps him from playing his pet Petrov.> Good idea. A professional 1 e4 player is going to "surprise" Kramnik with 1 d4 and end up on the White side of a Semi-Slav about which he knows very little. Great way to lose very quickly. Do you have -any- idea how much time a professional 1 e4 player spends on 1 d4 openings? Or 1 e4 e5 2 ♗b5? Probably none. Very few players, like Topalov and Kasparov, can play both 1 e4 and 1 d4 successfully at the professional level. Look how lousy Kramnik's results were when he tried 1 e4 after being a 1 ♘f3 player. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | notyetagm: <BishopofBlunder: <Whitehat1963:> Maybe Motylev thought 1.e4 was safer for him than anything else. Perhaps he was hoping that Kramnik wouldn't play a Petrov against him. Then again, maybe he was hoping Kramnik would...> Professional 1 e4 players like Motylev spend -all- of their opening preparations on 1 e4. Is Motylev supposed to spend hundreds of hours studying 1 d4 just to avoid Kramnik's Petroff? |
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| Jan-25-07 | | dehanne: <Now he has a lovely wife. What's the excuse going to be next year?>
A divorce? ;-) |
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| Jan-25-07 | | Deceptor: <Alekhine is probably turning over in his grave at the thought of the chess World Champion playing like this.>
Great point, Alekhine never had a draw like this in his entire life... With dozens of exceptions in this database only. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | notyetagm: <dehanne: <Now he has a lovely wife. What's the excuse going to be next year?> A divorce? ;-)> LOL.
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| Jan-25-07 | | notyetagm: <Deceptor: ... Great point, Alekhine never had a draw like this in his entire life... With dozens of exceptions in this database only.> Learn your history.
When Alekhine was World Champion and playing at Bled 1931, he turned draw offers in the late rounds even though he had already won the tournament. No free half-points from this World Champion. And if you think that World Champion Alekhine would play a 17-move draw against the lowest rated player in a tournament, then you are smoking crack. |
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Jan-25-07
 | | tamar: [Event "Bled (25)"]
[Site "Bled (25)"]
[Date "1931.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Kostic Boris"]
[Black "Alekhine Alexander"]
[ECO "C45"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "30"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Nc2
d6 8. Nd2 O-O 9. Bxc5 dxc5 10. Qf3 Qxf3 11. Nxf3 Bg4 12. Be2 Ng6 13. Ne3
Bxf3 14. Bxf3 Rad8 15. g3 Rd6 1/2-1/2 |
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| Jan-25-07 | | Ulhumbrus: The attack 8 h4 is completely unsound, on the face of it, and can be forecast to fail. White can hardly claim any advantage great enough to justify it, or any advantage at all. Instead of 8..Nd7, 8...Bf5 gets the QB out. 12 Kb1 avoids disturbing the Q side pawns further. 12 a3 invites 12...d5 followed by the sacrifice ..Bxa3. After the Queens are exchanged following 14 c4! there may be little to play for. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | dehanne: <When Alekhine was World Champion and playing at Bled 1931, he turned draw offers in the late rounds even though he had already won the tournament. No free half-points from this World Champion.> I think you might be referring to San Remo 1930, instead. He won that one with +13 -0 =2. The "Alekhine's gune" game against Nimzovich, amongst others, was played in that tournament. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | Whitehat1963: <Professional 1 e4 players like Motylev spend -all- of their opening preparations on 1 e4. Is Motylev supposed to spend hundreds of hours studying 1 d4 just to avoid Kramnik's Petroff?> So then he should just give up and play into Kramnik's hand by letting him play the Petrov? Really great chessplayers aren't usually so one dimensional, are they? I know Fischer was primarily a 1. e4 player, and Rubinstein played 1.d4 probably 90 percent of the time, but is that the norm? I honestly don't know. I would think that if you were that predictable that it would make it easier to prepare to play against you. |
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| Jan-29-07 | | johnnyfroaction: i'm not the biggest kramnick fan but the bottom line is that he seems to have 1.e4 down to a draw or win against the best in the world. like it or not that's a pretty serious accomplishment.
besides, since white played the last move in this game can't we assume it was motylev that offered the draw? |
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| Jan-30-07 | | Whack8888: <johnnyfroaction> That is a pretty big accomplishment--I dont know of any other player who has so completely dismantled such a vast amount of repertoire. It may be more or less impossible to beat Kramnik by playing 1. e4, which may change the old thought that 1. e4 and 1. d4 were more or less equal. There are not too many big time 1. e4 players around right now, are there? I wonder how Bobby Fischer or Karpov would play against Kramnik's Petroff, I am sure they could poke some holes in his defence. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | ughaibu: Players who prefer 1.e4 take black in half their games, of couse they deeply study 1.d4 openings. And is there any professional player who doesn't study the games of the world champion, black and white regardless of first move? |
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| Jan-30-07 | | Atking: The famous game in which Kramnik should fight a bit more to be equal first with Aronian... I tried to defend Black colors here with a chess board and a coffee and all time to relax. 17. ...Be6 18.Re1 Kf7 19.Bd3 f5 20.Nf3 Rfe8! 21.Nd4 Bd5! 22.Bxf5 Bxg2 23.Be6+ Kf8 24.BxNg4 BxRh1 25.Ne6+ Kf7 26.Bd4 (26.Nc7 Bxh4) 26. ...Bf6 27.RxBh1 RxNe6 28.BxRe6+ KxBe6 and only now it appears that Black is better. There is many lines like this. Not obvious as more a move to found we must found a story. In the last position I think Black should be better because white c4 has to be exchange for a6. Therefore Black pawns structure is a bit more compact than White's. A little advantage for Black and surely Kramnik should have play on. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | ughaibu: Why not 19.h5? |
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| Jan-31-07 | | Atking: <ughaibu: Why not 19.h5?> Happy of that one try. Why not 19.Be2 too ? In fact in my analysis there is a hole. Instead 21.Nd4 Bd5! could I suggest 21.RxBe6!! KxBe6 22.Nd4+ as 22. ...Kd5 23.Bxf5 Bf6 24.c4+ (I missed this one) 24. ...bxc 25.Nc2 Rab8 (25. ...c3 doesn't work 26.Nb4+ Kc4 27.Bd3+ Kb3 28.Bc2+ Kc4 29.b3+ Kb5 30.Bd3+ Ka5 31.Nxc6 mate Thanks to Bg1!) 26.BxNg4 Bxb2+ 27.Kd2 Rb3 28.Bxc6 Rd3+ 29.Ke2 Re7 30.Rh3 White seems better. Finally you must be Motyved to play on !... Why not 22. ...Kf7 ? |
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| Jan-31-07 | | ughaibu: Okay, without fussing about the details, I trust Kramnik's judgement on this one, black looks somewhat better but maybe it's not so. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | crwynn: Give the guy a break, he made +3 in the tournament, finishing a half-point behind the leaders. And guess who won the last super-tournament Dortmund. So he doesn't win every tournament he plays in - neither does Topalov or anyone. Meanwhile, look at some of Topalov's efforts in this tournament: Aronian vs Topalov, 2007
Topalov vs Motylev, 2007
Radjabov vs Topalov, 2007
I don't think any of these short draws were disgraceful, but they weren't any better than Kramnik's here. |
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