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Teimour Radjabov vs Veselin Topalov
Corus Group A (2007), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 13, Jan-28
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jan-28-07  Rawprawn: So over to Aronion and see if he can tie it three ways. He was doing well when I lost the Corus site.
Jan-28-07  Ziggurat: Pity about the threefold repetition. But it's gonna be fun to analyze this and see whether Radjabov had any better tries.
Jan-28-07
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  chancho: It was good decision on Radja's part. This is his first super tournament win, so why risk it?
Jan-28-07  ahmadov: It is a draw :( So who is the winner?
Jan-28-07  Strongest Force: Time for Aronian game?
Jan-28-07  cannibal: <Jordan>
Not sure, but I think the first tiebreak in Corus is Berger.
Jan-28-07  Kean: better take a look at Vlad-Van Wely, that's where the action is
Jan-28-07  ahmadov: <chessgames.com: Don't touch that dial -- we'll switch over to Aronian-Tiviakov in just a minute.> Thank you for showing that game. Apart from Aronian being half point behind Radja and Topa, the game is very exciting...
Jan-28-07  ahmadov: <k0mi: so Radja was afraid of the queen sac. and as it seems Aronian will win agains Tivi. so a 3way tie.> I think the one who resorted to draw was Topa, not Radja...
Jan-28-07  TylerD: all this talk of three way-tie... Are there tibreaks or not. If there are, there is only one winner, regardless of how hard or unfair that might seem to some people... Like in Kasparov s last tournament. He won on tibreaks, he did not share... What is the case here in Corus. Tibreaks or not. Does anybody really KNOW? Grateful for answers.
BTW I erally hope there are, cause a three way-tie would be a massive anticlimax in my own personal point of view. It is like turning the whole tournament into one big draw...
Jan-28-07  percyblakeney: Basically no one knows if there is a tiebreak or what the tiebreak is.
Jan-28-07  lazydaisy: i was looking for a tie-break rule in the official site but couldnt find one. is it like last year when anand won on tie-break? what are the conditions now? will there be a joint leader or again topalov will be robbed from the victory as usual?
Jan-28-07  Renton2006: So there you have it, another draw... in a game that should be deciding the winner of this event.

If a draw is the normal outcome of a game played at a high level, then the game, or at least the tournament rules, have to be changed.

In all sports, there is always a mechanism to decide a winner in games played in championships or tournaments, why not chess?

Not blaming any player, but honestly, how many people here are disappointed at this result?

Jan-28-07  acirce: <As you already know, Radjabov and Topalov played 25 moves of analysis and agreed to a draw. The queen sac Topalov offered in the Catalan was analyzed in the German magazine Schach after the Elista match (game 10 was the stem game) and both players get the magazine, sooooo.... Alexander Onischuk, one of Topalov's seconds in Elista, dropped me a note lamenting they hadn't found it in time for Kramnik, who went on to win that game and level the score.>

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

Jan-28-07  strobane: Please explain 21. Be3
Thanks
Jan-28-07  Shajmaty: 21. Be3 apparently wins a pawn (d4)... except for dxe3! Now 22. Rxd8, exf2+; 23. Qxf2, Bxd8 is unclear.
Jan-28-07  Shajmaty: <acirce: <As you already know, Radjabov and Topalov played 25 moves of analysis and agreed to a draw. The queen sac Topalov offered in the Catalan was analyzed in the German magazine Schach after the Elista match (game 10 was the stem game) and both players get the magazine [...]> Yes, 19...Nf6; 20. Nxb5 was played then (1-0 for Volodya after 43 moves). 19...Nxe5 followed by 21...dxe3 is the new idea.
Jan-28-07  sandmanbrig: When I analyze 21 ... dxe3 22 Rxd8 exf2 23 Qxf2 Bxd8 24 Qc5! and white seems to have a clear advantage.
Jan-28-07  weepingwarrior: This game is actually; E08 Catalan, Closed, 7. Qc2 c6 8.Bf4
Jan-28-07
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  Richard Taylor: What is wrong with Radjbov and Topalov sharing first prize? I see nothing disappointing about that.
Jan-30-07  Atking: <sandmanbrig: When I analyze 21 ... dxe3 22 Rxd8 exf2 23 Qxf2 Bxd8 24 Qc5! and white seems to have a <(clear)> advantage.> Or 24.Nd5 Re6 25.Rc1 <arcice> Have you the analysis of the German magazine ?
Feb-03-07  Shajmaty: <sandmanbrig>, <Atking>, I cannot see any "(clear) advantage" neither after 24. Qc5 nor after 24. Nd5. Tower + Bishop Pair vs. Knight + better pawn structure (e5 is so weak!) is enough for the White Queen. And I guess both Radjabov and Topalov agree!
Feb-03-07  argishti: you know its quite anoying to hear you ahmadov constintely putting down our good friend aronian for no reason.

if you want to make a point, use logic, or dont talk at all.

I like both radjabov and aronian as players, and i am an armenian. So that gives me no right to say anything bad about any of these wonderfuly players.

So basically what i am saying: Grow up, and think before you comment on this site!!

Feb-10-07  Tactic101: Of course, neither player wishes to take risks in this final game. So boring. Guys like Fischer would go out to thrash the opponent. So would Kasparov (10-15 years ago). But then again, Radjabov would have been heartbroken to have perhaps his greatest tournament performance up to now go up in smoke. Too bad he didn't have the courage to give Topalov a beating he deserves (I've lost a lot of respect for Topalov after the World Championship Match incident and the accusations he is cheating).
Nov-11-10  Kinghunt: I would love to see another game follow this line and try to test out if Topalov's queen sacrifice was accurate. Radjabov declined it, but I think white could get a significant edge out of accepting it.
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